3 Piece Rim, Making a lip bigger?
06-06-04, 09:03 PM
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3 Piece Rim, Making a lip bigger?
So I have Emerald's old rims. 3 Piece Stark Carving rims, And am close to completely redoing my beat up SC. Before I go for tires, I was wondering if it was possible to have a place "make" me a bigger lip. The rims are 18x8.5 all around, and have a 1" lip all around. I would like the rear's to have a 2" lip or even more if it was possible. Anyone have any input on this? It looks like if Carving had replacement lips, I could just bring it to a place and have them replace my current lip..
06-06-04, 09:21 PM
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last year some time, I was putting a deal together to buy some non-staggered 3pc Lowenharts, and I thought I could just buy the inner/outer lips for the rear to change the specs and make them staggered. I looked into and found that many companies will not just sell the lips (well at least Lowenhart doesnt). I know HRE or iForged will repair a damaged lip, but you have to do one of 2 things, disassemble the wheel and ship the damaged component, or ship the entire wheel. I dont think either would ship replacement lips.
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06-06-04, 11:02 PM
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i wanted to do that to my old wheels, widen the rears from an 8.5' to a 10', but a shop told me it's not a good idea, they said it'll ruin the balance of the wheel, i don't kno if that's true, i didn't want to take a risk.....so anyone have input on this?
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06-06-04, 11:12 PM
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For most of the JDM 3-pcs wheels (or actually all of them,) u can't just buy one part of the wheel such as the outer rim, inner rim or the face. They don't sell that separate.
As for the domestic forged wheels, I believe u can do that. I was talking to Bob from HRE at the Junction Produce meet and he told me he is about to change his rear wheels' inner rims to make the rear from 20x10.5 to 20x11.
As for the domestic forged wheels, I believe u can do that. I was talking to Bob from HRE at the Junction Produce meet and he told me he is about to change his rear wheels' inner rims to make the rear from 20x10.5 to 20x11.
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06-09-04, 11:34 AM
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HRE and some other wheel companies will change the rim half for you. The rim companies have a lot of liability if they let other people change their rim halfs instead of them. The bolts have to be torqued properly and there is also the issue of air leaks if not done right. This is not a DIY project.
Some companies like Enkei make 3 piece wheels , but don't offer wheel halfs in different sizes, so there is no option to pick any rim width you want , unlike what HRE and other brands DO offer.
Changing only the outside rim will change the offset. So if you are changing ONLY the outside half, then you have to allow for the fender clearance from where your rim size is now, to the width you want it to be. This is why Bob would change the inside rim half ,since there is clearance left on the inside, but on the outside rim , the fender clearance is already maxed out.
Before we go much further in this discussion, keep in mind that this is not an economical upgrade. An HRE rim half costs around $290 and up. Labor is I think $90.
Some companies like Enkei make 3 piece wheels , but don't offer wheel halfs in different sizes, so there is no option to pick any rim width you want , unlike what HRE and other brands DO offer.
Changing only the outside rim will change the offset. So if you are changing ONLY the outside half, then you have to allow for the fender clearance from where your rim size is now, to the width you want it to be. This is why Bob would change the inside rim half ,since there is clearance left on the inside, but on the outside rim , the fender clearance is already maxed out.
Before we go much further in this discussion, keep in mind that this is not an economical upgrade. An HRE rim half costs around $290 and up. Labor is I think $90.
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06-09-04, 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by llmidnitellsc40
i wanted to do that to my old wheels, widen the rears from an 8.5' to a 10', but a shop told me it's not a good idea, they said it'll ruin the balance of the wheel, i don't kno if that's true, i didn't want to take a risk.....so anyone have input on this?
Pat
i wanted to do that to my old wheels, widen the rears from an 8.5' to a 10', but a shop told me it's not a good idea, they said it'll ruin the balance of the wheel, i don't kno if that's true, i didn't want to take a risk.....so anyone have input on this?
Pat
You didn't mentionwhat type/ brand of wheels you have, so I'll assume you are talking about 3 piece wheels that can be dis-assembled.
First off, contact the wheel company directly and see what they say and if they offer this as an option, otherwise asking a shop for their opinion is worthless. BBS has been changing rim halves and sizes in auto racing for years. A quality 3 piece wheel will not have a balance problem.
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06-09-04, 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by RMMGS4
HRE and some other wheel companies will change the rim half for you. The rim companies have a lot of liability if they let other people change their rim halfs instead of them. The bolts have to be torqued properly and there is also the issue of air leaks if not done right. This is not a DIY project.
Some companies like Enkei make 3 piece wheels , but don't offer wheel halfs in different sizes, so there is no option to pick any rim width you want , unlike what HRE and other brands DO offer.
Changing only the outside rim will change the offset. So if you are changing ONLY the outside half, then you have to allow for the fender clearance from where your rim size is now, to the width you want it to be. This is why Bob would change the inside rim half ,since there is clearance left on the inside, but on the outside rim , the fender clearance is already maxed out.
Before we go much further in this discussion, keep in mind that this is not an economical upgrade. An HRE rim half costs around $290 and up. Labor is I think $90.
HRE and some other wheel companies will change the rim half for you. The rim companies have a lot of liability if they let other people change their rim halfs instead of them. The bolts have to be torqued properly and there is also the issue of air leaks if not done right. This is not a DIY project.
Some companies like Enkei make 3 piece wheels , but don't offer wheel halfs in different sizes, so there is no option to pick any rim width you want , unlike what HRE and other brands DO offer.
Changing only the outside rim will change the offset. So if you are changing ONLY the outside half, then you have to allow for the fender clearance from where your rim size is now, to the width you want it to be. This is why Bob would change the inside rim half ,since there is clearance left on the inside, but on the outside rim , the fender clearance is already maxed out.
Before we go much further in this discussion, keep in mind that this is not an economical upgrade. An HRE rim half costs around $290 and up. Labor is I think $90.
06-09-04, 12:53 PM
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His wheels are:
If I recall, the Stark is a Japanese wheel. For any Japanese wheel, you would need to contact the manufacturer to source additional or replacement rim components.
From my experience, the Japanese wheel manufacturers will not sell rim components or service their wheels- they require you to basically buy an entirely new wheel if service or changes are required. Perhaps this is good for sales figures, but it isn't necessarily that customer satisfaction oriented.
Basically, many three-piece wheel manufacturers use proprietary rim components, so they are not interchangable with other wheels. Variables include: different number of assembly fasteners and fastener thru-hole sizes, different rim width dimensions, different bead-seat profiles, different center opening dimensions, different material thickness, valve stem location, inner & outer lip profile, etc.
Most of HRE's rim components are proprietary. This means we can (and will) only service wheels made by HRE. I thnk you'll find this is pretty common in the industry, due to the liability involved.
For example, HRE will replace the assembly hardware whenever a wheel is disassembled. The 'stretching' of the assembly bolt during torquing can cause the bolt to stretch enough to make it's fatique life unpredictable if it is re-used. Also, different types of nuts & bolts will require different torque settings for proper assembly. Obviously, we have figured all this out for our application- but it will likely vary for yours.
More lip on the Stark, eh? I can see your future... it says... eBay.
-Bob
3 Piece Stark Carving rims
From my experience, the Japanese wheel manufacturers will not sell rim components or service their wheels- they require you to basically buy an entirely new wheel if service or changes are required. Perhaps this is good for sales figures, but it isn't necessarily that customer satisfaction oriented.
Basically, many three-piece wheel manufacturers use proprietary rim components, so they are not interchangable with other wheels. Variables include: different number of assembly fasteners and fastener thru-hole sizes, different rim width dimensions, different bead-seat profiles, different center opening dimensions, different material thickness, valve stem location, inner & outer lip profile, etc.
Most of HRE's rim components are proprietary. This means we can (and will) only service wheels made by HRE. I thnk you'll find this is pretty common in the industry, due to the liability involved.
For example, HRE will replace the assembly hardware whenever a wheel is disassembled. The 'stretching' of the assembly bolt during torquing can cause the bolt to stretch enough to make it's fatique life unpredictable if it is re-used. Also, different types of nuts & bolts will require different torque settings for proper assembly. Obviously, we have figured all this out for our application- but it will likely vary for yours.
More lip on the Stark, eh? I can see your future... it says... eBay.
-Bob
06-09-04, 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by rominl
only 400 bucks?! that's pretty cheap already i think
only 400 bucks?! that's pretty cheap already i think
I'm just pointing out that most people's whole rims don't cost $400, so if they are looking into widening their rim, not only is it probably not offered as an option, it will cost some $$ for parts & labor.
06-09-04, 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by RMMGS4
Cheap for an HRE upgrade, I suppose.
I'm just pointing out that most people's whole rims don't cost $400, so if they are looking into widening their rim, not only is it probably not offered as an option, it will cost some $$ for parts & labor.
Cheap for an HRE upgrade, I suppose.
I'm just pointing out that most people's whole rims don't cost $400, so if they are looking into widening their rim, not only is it probably not offered as an option, it will cost some $$ for parts & labor.
06-09-04, 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by RMMGS4
Cheap for an HRE upgrade, I suppose.
I'm just pointing out that most people's whole rims don't cost $400, so if they are looking into widening their rim, not only is it probably not offered as an option, it will cost some $$ for parts & labor.
Cheap for an HRE upgrade, I suppose.
I'm just pointing out that most people's whole rims don't cost $400, so if they are looking into widening their rim, not only is it probably not offered as an option, it will cost some $$ for parts & labor.
06-09-04, 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by RMMGS4
You didn't mentionwhat type/ brand of wheels you have, so I'll assume you are talking about 3 piece wheels that can be dis-assembled.
First off, contact the wheel company directly and see what they say and if they offer this as an option, otherwise asking a shop for their opinion is worthless. BBS has been changing rim halves and sizes in auto racing for years. A quality 3 piece wheel will not have a balance problem.
You didn't mentionwhat type/ brand of wheels you have, so I'll assume you are talking about 3 piece wheels that can be dis-assembled.
First off, contact the wheel company directly and see what they say and if they offer this as an option, otherwise asking a shop for their opinion is worthless. BBS has been changing rim halves and sizes in auto racing for years. A quality 3 piece wheel will not have a balance problem.
, but that was ages ago like a year, haha, i already got rid of those and got my nice set of 19' staggered 
11-05-05, 04:23 PM
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Thanks for the input RMMGS4 , but that was ages ago like a year, haha, i already got rid of those and got my nice set of 19' staggered
, but that was ages ago like a year, haha, i already got rid of those and got my nice set of 19' staggered https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=185930
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