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Old 10-02-08, 06:08 PM
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Hey guys, hoping this is the proper forum to post this in. I have an original 5 speed. There is this stopper as we all know that prevents us from accidentally shifting into 1st when going from 2nd to 3rd. Lately, when I shift into first, even with the clutch all the way down to the floor and the car at a standstill, it makes some strange noise, almost as if the gear is grinding but not quite just some resistance, I haven't even started accelerating, just putting the gear into 1st. Has this happened to anyone else? Its been happening more and more lately, I'm thinking it might be the clutch needing to be changed, but can it be transmission fluid being bad? I changed it about 10k miles ago.
Old 10-02-08, 06:52 PM
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i think either your transmission fluids are low or 1st gear is just starting to fail...
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first gear syncro grinding. it may be starting to wear out. i have this problem too. what i do is go into 2nd gear first and then into 1st.

1. try adjustible the clutch. it may not be fully disengaging.
2. change your trans fluid with some penzoil synchromesh fluid
3. get a new shifter seat and pivot ball with one form Marvin crawler. stock is good. MC is better and cheaper. totally changes the feel of the shifter. that is if yours is loose and sloppy.

test the clutch. rev to 4K and bump the clutch. if it does a nice burnout your clutch is fine

if it just revs and smells like skunk ***** then its slipping and you need a new one
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I think he has a 95 sc, which means he would not have a pivot ball. Try depressing the clutch pedal for a few more seconds and then shift into first.
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^^^^whoops. didnt see his sig.

then get trans fluid and try adjusting the clutch. most importantly take care of it and dont "power" shift.
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Thanks for the replies, I take care of it, or at least try to. Don't really rev too high Going to change trans fluid today and hope thats the only thing wrong with it
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i cant ever shift into first unless under 5mph with the w58, it does not have a first gear synchro am i correct? because it becomes annoying at times
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93sc3005sp you are correct. it has a "lockout" feature so you dont accidentally shift into 1st when going into 3rd.

With the clutch in try putting it into second then first when coming to a stop or at a stop. it usually helps it slide into 1 easier.
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Originally Posted by 93sc3005sp
i cant ever shift into first unless under 5mph with the w58, it does not have a first gear synchro am i correct? because it becomes annoying at times
Yes it does not have a synchro. Best way to over come this is to shift into neutral and blip the throttle a bit it should slide right in. You have to find the right RPM at the right speed to get this to work properly. I'm still having trouble with it and im sick of having to pick up speed in low second gear because i can't put it into first.

does anyone know if the R154 has the same design?
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Changed the trans fluid today with some Royal Purple Max Gear 75w90, seemed to do the trick but ... we'll see since it's only been a day. What I absolutely HATE is when there's a red light, and you brake to 5-10 mph the light turns green, and you can't shift into 1st so you have to lug on through in 2nd or risk grinding the gear
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before going into first try letting go of the clutch in neutral and then clutch in to go into first. I have this problem when i coast downhill going at highspeeds so I need to align the syncros by going into 4th first before I go into 5th. and for your situation at the lights going at low speeds try bringing up the rpms a little to match the speed before you shift it into first.
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will take all of your replies into consideration! thanks for the help.
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my r154 does do the same thing, but it may just be a fluke because I need to rev-match almost EVERY gear. They have some tolerance, but I have to be within 500rpms of essentially any gear to get into it. . .real annoying.
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Originally Posted by ConSynX
my r154 does do the same thing, but it may just be a fluke because I need to rev-match almost EVERY gear. They have some tolerance, but I have to be within 500rpms of essentially any gear to get into it. . .real annoying.

yeah I would be really annoyed if I had to do that for every single gear, you should get that checked out
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Originally Posted by 5sp_jzz30
first gear syncro grinding. it may be starting to wear out. i have this problem too. what i do is go into 2nd gear first and then into 1st.

1. try adjustible the clutch. it may not be fully disengaging.
2. change your trans fluid with some penzoil synchromesh fluid
3. get a new shifter seat and pivot ball with one form Marvin crawler. stock is good. MC is better and cheaper. totally changes the feel of the shifter. that is if yours is loose and sloppy.

test the clutch. rev to 4K and bump the clutch. if it does a nice burnout your clutch is fine

if it just revs and smells like skunk ***** then its slipping and you need a new one

Hey whats the shifter seat and pivot ball cost?? My shifter feels pretty sloppy? How is the install?


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