2010 lexus sport vs 460L
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2010 lexus sport vs 460L
so on both the sport package and the 460L there is an adjustable air suspension with "sport, normal, and comfort" settings.
just wondering how different the handling is in the sport modes between the two cars.
if anyone has driven both or has any articles comparing the two, or general info it would be greatly appreciated.
cheers.
ps: i know there is no substitute for driving both of them, but its going to be very difficult to get this done any time soon, so in the meantime was hoping some of my curiosity could be tempered.
just wondering how different the handling is in the sport modes between the two cars.
if anyone has driven both or has any articles comparing the two, or general info it would be greatly appreciated.
cheers.
ps: i know there is no substitute for driving both of them, but its going to be very difficult to get this done any time soon, so in the meantime was hoping some of my curiosity could be tempered.
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Good Luck JG
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Because of the brakes. The Brembo's on the front worked great in terms of stopping and fade but after I had the originals replaced at about 15k miles, the brakes squealed like crazy when slowing to a stop (no squealing with the original brakes). Lexus replaced them again and they still squealed. To make a very long story short, Lexus had no fix and they offered me a deal to get out of the 2010 Sport and into a 2011 SWB with the ML option with advanced parking assist. I really loved the way the Sport drove and handled (the sport suspension and tighter transmission shift points) but couldn't stand the squealing so I took the deal after some haggling. Ultimately, my dealership stepped up to the plate much more than Lexus corporate to make the deal happen.
The standard SWB is a nice car, just not what I wanted in terms of handling.
The standard SWB is a nice car, just not what I wanted in terms of handling.
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Because of the brakes. The Brembo's on the front worked great in terms of stopping and fade but after I had the originals replaced at about 15k miles, the brakes squealed like crazy when slowing to a stop (no squealing with the original brakes). Lexus replaced them again and they still squealed. To make a very long story short, Lexus had no fix and they offered me a deal to get out of the 2010 Sport and into a 2011 SWB with the ML option with advanced parking assist. I really loved the way the Sport drove and handled (the sport suspension and tighter transmission shift points) but couldn't stand the squealing so I took the deal after some haggling. Ultimately, my dealership stepped up to the plate much more than Lexus corporate to make the deal happen.
The standard SWB is a nice car, just not what I wanted in terms of handling.
The standard SWB is a nice car, just not what I wanted in terms of handling.
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At the end of the day, who knows if that's really what was done or if the were merely covering their a**. Kind of sad that Lexus would build a car with a really nice compromise sport option package and then not know anything about the brakes. Dealing with them on the Brembo's was like dealing with the Keystone Cops.
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After they replaced the brakes for a second time, I questioned them at length about the bed in procedure they followed and they assured me that they did it by the book. I even talked to their lead Diagnostic Technician directly and he said that he did the bed in procedure himself. He told me what he did and it sounded like it was exactly the way high performance brakes are supposed to be handled after installation.
At the end of the day, who knows if that's really what was done or if the were merely covering their a**. Kind of sad that Lexus would build a car with a really nice compromise sport option package and then not know anything about the brakes. Dealing with them on the Brembo's was like dealing with the Keystone Cops.
At the end of the day, who knows if that's really what was done or if the were merely covering their a**. Kind of sad that Lexus would build a car with a really nice compromise sport option package and then not know anything about the brakes. Dealing with them on the Brembo's was like dealing with the Keystone Cops.
at the same time, since your first set of pads were ok from factory, my guess is if done right it should be ok. though it could be pretty tricky. i think i also read about some isf owners talking about brake noise
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[QUOTE=rominl;6724000]don't get me wrong, i totally feel your pain. i have dealt with tons of bbk myself, did run into wrong bedding and the headache afterward were costly and painful
at the same time, since your first set of pads were ok from factory, my guess is if done right it should be ok. though it could be pretty tricky. i think i also read about some isf owners talking about brake noise[/QUOTE
Thanks for the kind thoughts. Although they wouldn't admit it to me, I think that Lexus made some change from the original brakes to the replacement parts. That is what I got out of one of the conversations with their Regional Service Manager. I think they had some minor complaints on brake noise with the 2010 original parts and made the change (maybe at the recommendation from Brembo) thinking that it would improve the situation. Obviously it didn't.
They also wouldn't agree to warranty anything I did myself unless it was the Lexus approved part and that had the squeal. It kind of left me between a rock and a hard place and that's why I ultimately caved and exchanged the car even though I never would have bought the standard SWB originally. I don't want to come across as complaining about the standard SWB which is a fine car - it's just not what I wanted coming out of my BMW 550i Sport.
at the same time, since your first set of pads were ok from factory, my guess is if done right it should be ok. though it could be pretty tricky. i think i also read about some isf owners talking about brake noise[/QUOTE
Thanks for the kind thoughts. Although they wouldn't admit it to me, I think that Lexus made some change from the original brakes to the replacement parts. That is what I got out of one of the conversations with their Regional Service Manager. I think they had some minor complaints on brake noise with the 2010 original parts and made the change (maybe at the recommendation from Brembo) thinking that it would improve the situation. Obviously it didn't.
They also wouldn't agree to warranty anything I did myself unless it was the Lexus approved part and that had the squeal. It kind of left me between a rock and a hard place and that's why I ultimately caved and exchanged the car even though I never would have bought the standard SWB originally. I don't want to come across as complaining about the standard SWB which is a fine car - it's just not what I wanted coming out of my BMW 550i Sport.
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Because of the brakes. The Brembo's on the front worked great in terms of stopping and fade but after I had the originals replaced at about 15k miles, the brakes squealed like crazy when slowing to a stop (no squealing with the original brakes). Lexus replaced them again and they still squealed. To make a very long story short, Lexus had no fix and they offered me a deal to get out of the 2010 Sport and into a 2011 SWB with the ML option with advanced parking assist. I really loved the way the Sport drove and handled (the sport suspension and tighter transmission shift points) but couldn't stand the squealing so I took the deal after some haggling. Ultimately, my dealership stepped up to the plate much more than Lexus corporate to make the deal happen.
The standard SWB is a nice car, just not what I wanted in terms of handling.
The standard SWB is a nice car, just not what I wanted in terms of handling.
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No problem. Good luck with the 2012 Sport. Hopefully, you won't have the brake squeal at all. Maybe they figured the problem out after 2 model years with the option package. The car really does drive and handle great. Not a sports car by any means but much sportier than the standard SWB.
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