Police Radar?
12-19-13, 05:38 AM
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they're also illegal in D.C...
if my memory is correct there's an firmware update for the RDD's
(my goal here was to inform people that there are more options than just escort/bel/valentine all of which have older/outdated tech) not mention k40 gives you the flexibility to upgrade u can purchase the RL200 (front radar only system an then add rear radar later or add as many laser defusers as u see fit) NO ONE ELSE CAN DO THAT TO DATE!!!!!!!
also K40 has different user adjustable settings for both radar and laser...
radar: you can choose to turn on/off x-band,k-band or ka-band
laser: you can choose to use lasers in constant emit mode or timed (in timed mode after 10secs i believe, then it'll turn off to allow u to be clocked) but that depends on the laws in your state
they also offer quiet ride (the best feature yet) u can set a speed to which you'll get audio alerts (mines set to 35mph).. so if your stopped at a light by 7-11 you dont need to listen to the constant beeping from the stores door radar setting off your detector
as well as the location marker (if u pass a leo speed trap u can mark that location in the k40's memory) so the next time you approach that area (1 mile out) it will remind u of the speed trap....AWESOME!!!!
heres a lil vid i thought you'd like to see.. K40 laser defusers in action (constant mode))
if my memory is correct there's an firmware update for the RDD's
(my goal here was to inform people that there are more options than just escort/bel/valentine all of which have older/outdated tech) not mention k40 gives you the flexibility to upgrade u can purchase the RL200 (front radar only system an then add rear radar later or add as many laser defusers as u see fit) NO ONE ELSE CAN DO THAT TO DATE!!!!!!!
also K40 has different user adjustable settings for both radar and laser...
radar: you can choose to turn on/off x-band,k-band or ka-band
laser: you can choose to use lasers in constant emit mode or timed (in timed mode after 10secs i believe, then it'll turn off to allow u to be clocked) but that depends on the laws in your state
they also offer quiet ride (the best feature yet) u can set a speed to which you'll get audio alerts (mines set to 35mph).. so if your stopped at a light by 7-11 you dont need to listen to the constant beeping from the stores door radar setting off your detector
as well as the location marker (if u pass a leo speed trap u can mark that location in the k40's memory) so the next time you approach that area (1 mile out) it will remind u of the speed trap....AWESOME!!!!
heres a lil vid i thought you'd like to see.. K40 laser defusers in action (constant mode))
12-19-13, 05:44 AM
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by the way i have a leo friend and he hates the laser defusers as he says "theres no way to lock on with those damn things!" so he opts for instant ka-band (only because it comes down to reaction time) if your on the phone or distracted when it turns on the extra few secs it takes to slow down he's got u!!!
so my rule is if i get a ka-band alert i slow down for 5miles minimum.. because i know he's out there....(and yes my k40 has picked up leo's at +3miles out so 5miles is my safety net)
so my rule is if i get a ka-band alert i slow down for 5miles minimum.. because i know he's out there....(and yes my k40 has picked up leo's at +3miles out so 5miles is my safety net)
12-19-13, 06:17 AM
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I apologize for forgetting all the D.C. drivers out there - sorry about that!
Undetectability can only be achieved in hardware, and not software. It requires a properly designed antenna on the detector, as well as specialized radio frequency Low Noise Amplifiers (LNAs). No firmware update can add the necessary hardware to make a system undetectable.
If you shut off alerts at problematic intersections, you risk missing an instant on shot from down the road - which you otherwise might have been alerted to. The better solution is to use GPS positioning to remember false alerts, and lock out only the specific frequency used by the false source. This makes it much less likely to accidentally lock out a real cop. The problem is, this functionality has been patented by Escort/Beltronics, and no other product offers it (unless they are violating the patent held by Escort).
Furthermore, if anyone is jamming a real cop all the way to his laser gun, he should not be allowed to operate a laser jammer. The correct way to use a laser jammer is to slow down to the speed limit and then TURN IT OFF. That way, the cop can get a speed reading on your vehicle, and he's none the wiser. Jammers are illegal in several states (see RDFGS for details), and if you start annoying cops by jamming them all the way up to their gun, they might become illegal in even more states!
Finally, I'd like to note in your video that the laser gun is showing "E 01" and "E 02" errors, which mean that it is being jammed. A well designed laser jammer will not show jam codes.
You dodged around my request to meet up with members that have real police laser guns to get your setup tested. The fact is, there are some laser guns currently in use by police that the K40 cannot jam. That's why it's better to get something that has been independently tested and verified many times over, instead of an expensive, ineffective option that the dealer makes massive profits on.
Undetectability can only be achieved in hardware, and not software. It requires a properly designed antenna on the detector, as well as specialized radio frequency Low Noise Amplifiers (LNAs). No firmware update can add the necessary hardware to make a system undetectable.
If you shut off alerts at problematic intersections, you risk missing an instant on shot from down the road - which you otherwise might have been alerted to. The better solution is to use GPS positioning to remember false alerts, and lock out only the specific frequency used by the false source. This makes it much less likely to accidentally lock out a real cop. The problem is, this functionality has been patented by Escort/Beltronics, and no other product offers it (unless they are violating the patent held by Escort).
Furthermore, if anyone is jamming a real cop all the way to his laser gun, he should not be allowed to operate a laser jammer. The correct way to use a laser jammer is to slow down to the speed limit and then TURN IT OFF. That way, the cop can get a speed reading on your vehicle, and he's none the wiser. Jammers are illegal in several states (see RDFGS for details), and if you start annoying cops by jamming them all the way up to their gun, they might become illegal in even more states!
Finally, I'd like to note in your video that the laser gun is showing "E 01" and "E 02" errors, which mean that it is being jammed. A well designed laser jammer will not show jam codes.
You dodged around my request to meet up with members that have real police laser guns to get your setup tested. The fact is, there are some laser guns currently in use by police that the K40 cannot jam. That's why it's better to get something that has been independently tested and verified many times over, instead of an expensive, ineffective option that the dealer makes massive profits on.
12-19-13, 06:28 PM
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I use the Escort 9500ci with the laser jammers and I have nothing but good things to say about it. It works very well here in Georgia, where the suburbans cops use a mixture of radar and laser while state troopers uses laser almost exclusively. I have not had a speeding ticket since I installed it over 2 years ago.
Cops don't like that I jam their laser signals, and I have been pulled over after doing it. They've been more curious about it than anything else, though they always give me the stern "So you like speedin'?" every time.
C'mon! They know this is Atlanta. Where the [unofficial] speed limit is 80+.
Cops don't like that I jam their laser signals, and I have been pulled over after doing it. They've been more curious about it than anything else, though they always give me the stern "So you like speedin'?" every time.
C'mon! They know this is Atlanta. Where the [unofficial] speed limit is 80+.
12-22-13, 03:10 AM
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heres a heads up if your getting false alarms (k band) more often lately... many car manufactures are now offering radar assisted cruise control (audi,bmw,lexus,mercedes,porsche,etc) if you are in close proximity to any of these newer cars it will set off your detector.. simply pass the offending vehicle an all should be well... i rode behind a bmw 745 for an hr (radar blaring) before it dawned on me it was his cruise.. once i passed him silence again...
safe travels....
safe travels....
12-23-13, 10:13 AM
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Yep, and it can get very annoying for drivers with detectors. Some cars use a certain radar type that can be filtered out by radar detectors at the expense of some performance when it comes to real radar, but other cars use CW radar that behaves exactly like police radar, making them difficult or impossible to filter.
12-23-13, 05:30 PM
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Yep, and it can get very annoying for drivers with detectors. Some cars use a certain radar type that can be filtered out by radar detectors at the expense of some performance when it comes to real radar, but other cars use CW radar that behaves exactly like police radar, making them difficult or impossible to filter.
12-23-13, 06:29 PM
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Lexus vehicles haven't been a problem for me and my detector, so I would assume that they use some form of pulsed or FMCW radar, instead of CW. To filter them out, you simply need to enable TMF (on V1 detectors), TSR (Escort/Beltronics detectors), or TFSR (Whistler detectors). Other detectors will usually have a similar setting.
TMF/TSR/TFSR filtering was initially developed to combat the Traffic Flow Sensors that litter several states to monitor traffic. For example, Ohio places these sensors every mile or so on many main highways, and a detector with no filtering will dutifully alert to them every single mile which gets annoying. Because these sensors use pulsed radar, they can be filtered by delaying the signal for about half a second and checking whether the signal remains steady or whether it has stopped during that time. If the car has a similar pulsed or FMCW signal, it can be filtered the same way.
TMF/TSR/TFSR filtering was initially developed to combat the Traffic Flow Sensors that litter several states to monitor traffic. For example, Ohio places these sensors every mile or so on many main highways, and a detector with no filtering will dutifully alert to them every single mile which gets annoying. Because these sensors use pulsed radar, they can be filtered by delaying the signal for about half a second and checking whether the signal remains steady or whether it has stopped during that time. If the car has a similar pulsed or FMCW signal, it can be filtered the same way.
12-23-13, 06:40 PM
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Here's a thread that discusses these systems and has a list of vehicles that are known to set off radar detectors. The worst offenders are Audis, Infinitis, and Chryslers.
12-27-13, 06:51 PM
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Furthermore, if anyone is jamming a real cop all the way to his laser gun, he should not be allowed to operate a laser jammer. The correct way to use a laser jammer is to slow down to the speed limit and then TURN IT OFF. That way, the cop can get a speed reading on your vehicle, and he's none the wiser. Jammers are illegal in several states (see RDFGS for details), and if you start annoying cops by jamming them all the way up to their gun, they might become illegal in even more states!
Finally, I'd like to note in your video that the laser gun is showing "E 01" and "E 02" errors, which mean that it is being jammed. A well designed laser jammer will not show jam codes.
You dodged around my request to meet up with members that have real police laser guns to get your setup tested. The fact is, there are some laser guns currently in use by police that the K40 cannot jam. That's why it's better to get something that has been independently tested and verified many times over, instead of an expensive, ineffective option that the dealer makes massive profits on.[/QUOTE]
1st lasers are legal in fl so its a moot point about jamming to the gun(but i can manually switch pulsed mode anytime i like... which doesnt really matter as my car, drivers license and insurance are all from fl. so they cant give me a ticket anyway as i'm subject to fl law 1st an foremost at best i can get warning) secondly cars equipped with ir parking sensors can also block laser guns to a degree... so what they are going to regulate the auto industry too? it will be a difficult court battle to regulate light in the non-visible spectrum..
2nd "E01 & E02"(some guns show F instead of E)
E01: Display overflow. The measurement exceeds the display capacity. Note that
the in-scope numerical display is only four digits, whilst the screen display is
six. It is possible to receive a doF message in the Scope and still have a valid
measurement displaying on the screen.
E02:Editor Overflow
the actual "jam code" is E07:Jam detect – unable to acquire target
if your goin to quote the manual read the whole thing not just the 1st 2 or 3 entries
error codes are a regular occurance (fyi if a leo aims at a headlight (H.I.D. he'll also get an error code as they broadcast a truer white light which is the full spectrum including ir) which is why you are less likely to be lasered at night...
3rd i never dodged your request to have my car tested by members or anyone else.. if someone wants to test my car i suggest they contact me"pm" AND as i have a personal friend who happens to be an ORLANDO POLICE OFFICER that has already tested my car i dont see the point...(fyi i have dozens of friends AND FAMILY and clients that are on the job troopers,sheriffs and us customs etc)
i have already been in contact with the guys at k40 and they are working on setting up some form of independent tests.. the problem is that (most independent tests) will always have some form of bias(via funding contributions or advertising revenue etc) once upon a time there a few "#1 brands" surprisingly they also had the largest advertising budgets with the people or companies doing the tests....how can one prove impartiality???? lastly your going to trust whomever your going to trust...
i have sold and installed(and personally owned) +90%of the products listed above.. and i have been in the car audio industry for more than 25yrs.. not to mention the feedback i have had from my clients over the years.. and as this is a forum of opinion (and makes me no profit..i'm simply here to learn an to educate)
so when it comes to my car and my money i buy k40...because at the end of the day i'm NOT GOING TO GET A TICKET (and for the better part of 10yrs i havent)
HAPPY HOLIDAYS...SAFE TRAVELS
oh as a small footnote our shop is the ONLY shop in our area with ZERO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK!!!!
Finally, I'd like to note in your video that the laser gun is showing "E 01" and "E 02" errors, which mean that it is being jammed. A well designed laser jammer will not show jam codes.
You dodged around my request to meet up with members that have real police laser guns to get your setup tested. The fact is, there are some laser guns currently in use by police that the K40 cannot jam. That's why it's better to get something that has been independently tested and verified many times over, instead of an expensive, ineffective option that the dealer makes massive profits on.[/QUOTE]
1st lasers are legal in fl so its a moot point about jamming to the gun(but i can manually switch pulsed mode anytime i like... which doesnt really matter as my car, drivers license and insurance are all from fl. so they cant give me a ticket anyway as i'm subject to fl law 1st an foremost at best i can get warning) secondly cars equipped with ir parking sensors can also block laser guns to a degree... so what they are going to regulate the auto industry too? it will be a difficult court battle to regulate light in the non-visible spectrum..
2nd "E01 & E02"(some guns show F instead of E)
E01: Display overflow. The measurement exceeds the display capacity. Note that
the in-scope numerical display is only four digits, whilst the screen display is
six. It is possible to receive a doF message in the Scope and still have a valid
measurement displaying on the screen.
E02:Editor Overflow
the actual "jam code" is E07:Jam detect – unable to acquire target
if your goin to quote the manual read the whole thing not just the 1st 2 or 3 entries
error codes are a regular occurance (fyi if a leo aims at a headlight (H.I.D. he'll also get an error code as they broadcast a truer white light which is the full spectrum including ir) which is why you are less likely to be lasered at night...
3rd i never dodged your request to have my car tested by members or anyone else.. if someone wants to test my car i suggest they contact me"pm" AND as i have a personal friend who happens to be an ORLANDO POLICE OFFICER that has already tested my car i dont see the point...(fyi i have dozens of friends AND FAMILY and clients that are on the job troopers,sheriffs and us customs etc)
i have already been in contact with the guys at k40 and they are working on setting up some form of independent tests.. the problem is that (most independent tests) will always have some form of bias(via funding contributions or advertising revenue etc) once upon a time there a few "#1 brands" surprisingly they also had the largest advertising budgets with the people or companies doing the tests....how can one prove impartiality???? lastly your going to trust whomever your going to trust...
i have sold and installed(and personally owned) +90%of the products listed above.. and i have been in the car audio industry for more than 25yrs.. not to mention the feedback i have had from my clients over the years.. and as this is a forum of opinion (and makes me no profit..i'm simply here to learn an to educate)
so when it comes to my car and my money i buy k40...because at the end of the day i'm NOT GOING TO GET A TICKET (and for the better part of 10yrs i havent)
HAPPY HOLIDAYS...SAFE TRAVELS
oh as a small footnote our shop is the ONLY shop in our area with ZERO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK!!!!
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12-27-13, 10:35 PM
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Regardless of whether the errors shown are "jam" codes or not, they are most definitely caused by the jammer in this case, and that is bad. Cops know that these codes come up at random, but they also know that the code should not stick on for so long and should go away very quickly. Having the code show for so long is an obvious indication of jamming.
Even if jamming is not illegal, that does not mean you should JTG and **** off the cop. Pissing of a cop is one of the stupidest things you can possibly do, and there's plenty of other things they could nail you or your customers for if they felt like it.
I see now that you are an installer and not a customer, only in it for the profits, so there's not much more point trying to show you the error of your ways. There's no need for K40 to "set up" an "independent" test, because there's plenty of enthusiasts to test with. If you want independent testing, check out RDF (I already posted a few links earlier). The most experienced members there have a plethora of current and older lidar and radar guns to test any setup, any way you want.
I have no more to say on this subject, except for the following 2 videos:
and this thread: http://www.radardetectorforum.org/sh...ad.php?t=17497
Peace.
Even if jamming is not illegal, that does not mean you should JTG and **** off the cop. Pissing of a cop is one of the stupidest things you can possibly do, and there's plenty of other things they could nail you or your customers for if they felt like it.
I see now that you are an installer and not a customer, only in it for the profits, so there's not much more point trying to show you the error of your ways. There's no need for K40 to "set up" an "independent" test, because there's plenty of enthusiasts to test with. If you want independent testing, check out RDF (I already posted a few links earlier). The most experienced members there have a plethora of current and older lidar and radar guns to test any setup, any way you want.
I have no more to say on this subject, except for the following 2 videos:
and this thread: http://www.radardetectorforum.org/sh...ad.php?t=17497
Peace.
12-31-13, 06:04 AM
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I see now that you are an installer and not a customer, only in it for the profits, so there's not much more point trying to show you the error of your ways.
Even if jamming is not illegal, that does not mean you should JTG and **** off the cop. Pissing of a cop is one of the stupidest things you can possibly do, and there's plenty of other things they could nail you or your customers for if they felt like it.
LIKE WHAT???? you make it seem like leo's are superhuman.. the only illegal thing i do is speed!! if they cant get a reading they can stop me for what ****s and giggles? that wont stand up in court.. you need to learn your rights!! at the end of the day they work for us!! our taxes pay their salaries...abuse of authority can get a leo fired.. (if an officer gets 3 complaints in a yr they can be let go from the force) but people dont know or are too scared to step up.. its a few bad apples that spoil the bunch..not all leo's "ARE OUT TO GET YOU!!" its a job not a vendetta... if u break the law and get caught then so be it...its easier to just slow down..duh... but human nature is what it is.. i speed...i know i speed..i know its illegal to speed...SO i take steps to help me not get caught..... its that simple..
i have never denied being an installer... in fact proud of it 25yrs and counting... and as an installer i am in an unique position to see, use and test all manner of products daily!! (for me to see which works best an then purchase myself because i can literally get ANYTHING so why not get the best regardless of price) customers will buy what they want regardless of my personal opinion (which you continue to prove) AND if your talking about making money i get paid to INSTALL EVERYTHING regardless if i sold it or not whether i like it or not so its always a profit... but an EDUCATED CUSTOMER is always appreciated because they will now the pros,cons etc already which makes my job easier..
again if your happy and satisfied with less... then SO BE IT.. to each his own..
just to mention i purposely dont offer to sell products on CL (and dont sponsor for the same reason) as its FREE information advice an help.. and me selling a product would be a douche move... i even show CL members where and how to save $$$$...
have a blessed an safe NEW YEAR to all!!
Even if jamming is not illegal, that does not mean you should JTG and **** off the cop. Pissing of a cop is one of the stupidest things you can possibly do, and there's plenty of other things they could nail you or your customers for if they felt like it.
LIKE WHAT???? you make it seem like leo's are superhuman.. the only illegal thing i do is speed!! if they cant get a reading they can stop me for what ****s and giggles? that wont stand up in court.. you need to learn your rights!! at the end of the day they work for us!! our taxes pay their salaries...abuse of authority can get a leo fired.. (if an officer gets 3 complaints in a yr they can be let go from the force) but people dont know or are too scared to step up.. its a few bad apples that spoil the bunch..not all leo's "ARE OUT TO GET YOU!!" its a job not a vendetta... if u break the law and get caught then so be it...its easier to just slow down..duh... but human nature is what it is.. i speed...i know i speed..i know its illegal to speed...SO i take steps to help me not get caught..... its that simple..
i have never denied being an installer... in fact proud of it 25yrs and counting... and as an installer i am in an unique position to see, use and test all manner of products daily!! (for me to see which works best an then purchase myself because i can literally get ANYTHING so why not get the best regardless of price) customers will buy what they want regardless of my personal opinion (which you continue to prove) AND if your talking about making money i get paid to INSTALL EVERYTHING regardless if i sold it or not whether i like it or not so its always a profit... but an EDUCATED CUSTOMER is always appreciated because they will now the pros,cons etc already which makes my job easier..
again if your happy and satisfied with less... then SO BE IT.. to each his own..
just to mention i purposely dont offer to sell products on CL (and dont sponsor for the same reason) as its FREE information advice an help.. and me selling a product would be a douche move... i even show CL members where and how to save $$$$...
have a blessed an safe NEW YEAR to all!!
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12-31-13, 06:54 AM
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wow.. i just watched the 1st video.. again ignorance is bliss... REALLY
1st how old is that defuser (10plus yrs!!!!) wow u dug that piece from the late 90's...(2 generations old)
2nd they put a single defuser on an SUV... REALLY... if u read my earlier post the larger the vehicle the more defusers u need....
why not find something at least in this millenia.... heres a pic of the recent K40 defuser ( i happen to have 3 here at the house goin on MY CAR tomorrow) sorry took pic w phone wont let me rotate..
1st how old is that defuser (10plus yrs!!!!) wow u dug that piece from the late 90's...(2 generations old)
2nd they put a single defuser on an SUV... REALLY... if u read my earlier post the larger the vehicle the more defusers u need....
why not find something at least in this millenia.... heres a pic of the recent K40 defuser ( i happen to have 3 here at the house goin on MY CAR tomorrow) sorry took pic w phone wont let me rotate..
01-01-14, 02:42 PM
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just dont break the law and you wont need one thats what i think about these
however that doesn/t mean i dont use them lol
iv always enjoyed Cobra never had issues with that brand before
however that doesn/t mean i dont use them lol
iv always enjoyed Cobra never had issues with that brand before
01-02-14, 02:48 PM
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agreed..but i have a heavy foot...lol..i keep trying to slow down (it works for awhile but old habits die hard)
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