Will the 2015 Mustang lure potential 3IS buyers??
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I bought my first and last ford 1.5 yrs ago, reason being the resale value is horrendous. They overprice the cars so much and give gigantic rebates that the only people who win are new buyers.
#62
My point was that the discussion was whether or not the new Mustang would steal buyers from the 3IS...and by extension the RC. Since you aren't a 3IS or RC buyer, thats not really the topic of the thread. The question is what effect if any the Mustang will have on 3IS buyers. If you had a 3IS and you were in here saying "man, if that mustang were out I'd have gotten that" or if you were shopping for a 3IS and came in and said "I'm going to wait to drive that Mustang before I buy" that would be a different story.
I've been in a new GS recently and the layout and general feel of the car doesn't strike me as being the similar to kind of car that an IS/IS-F is or that an RC would be. It may be the same power train and the same platform (albeit lengthened) but it's a big car. Traditionally no GS was offered with a manual and the same went for the Japanese Aristo version. I've met people who have installed Supra Getrag V160 6-speeds into their early GS sedans and while that's very interesting from the standpoint of hotrodding... I never understood the reasoning with the GS chassis.
How modifying one's car invalidates that they legitimately own that vehicle with the manufacturer's badge is beyond me. In my case all I have done is add a few features that were available on the nearly identical Japanese-market version but were stripped out of the US version.
Right now Lexus doesn't sell something that fits my needs but they did when this car and the first and second IS were in production.
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.
My point is that every brand has a target demographic. Not every brand is going to appeal to every customer. If you're looking for a luxury coupe I would suggest a 4 Series with a mechanical LSD, inline 6 engine, fully manual gearbox. They are not targeting you as a consumer.
#63
All right, I'm leaving this thread. While SW13GS and I have had a lovely discussion it's not contributing anything new to the main topic at this point and that's what I had hoped to do in the first place. I've said my piece about the RC and I really do think it's going to be an awesome car despite my personal reservations about the lack of transmission choice.
#65
Lexus Test Driver
I couldn't disagree more. Ford is far and away the best American car company in my opinion. I had a ford expedition lemon years ago but things have changed a lot since then. That coyote engine in the GT kicks ***. Having said that we are talking apples and oranges trying to compare any American car company to Lexus.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that ford is the best. The coyote engine is a great engine, however, I've been able to put them in my rear view mirror quite quickly with my 5th gen.
Also, this is a dumb comparison overall. The mustang is a budget built pony car, in which a V8 can be had for 35k. So, for $40k (with options), they have 420hp, 400ft-lbs of torque, You have 3/4 of that in your IS350 for MORE money. However, in interior quality is not there, and the other luxuries are not there in the Mustang. Why? Because its a budget pony car, NOT a luxury car.
Thus, performance wise, this a joke comparison. (In favor of mustang) Interior wise, this is a joke comparison (in favor of Lexus).
its a true apples to oranges comparison. People who want luxury with some power will go to the Lexus, and those who want the performance edge will go for the Mustang. Also keep in mind that you are at two different buyer demographics. No one will cross shop a mustang and an IS. Perhaps the only time you'd get a cross shop is when someone is looking between a GT500 and an IS-F, but only then is price point comparable, but then you're comparing 662hp and 416hp. Still not a cross shop opportunity.
#69
Some of you may remember the horrible cars the Big 3 produced in the 70's & 80's. It just was a terrible thing they did to Americans. They traded on the "Made in America" propaganda rather than do anything innovative. For this reason alone I can't see myself supporting an American car company ever. It was a betrayal. For those 2 young to remember -- Google "Chevrolet Cavalier" & "Cadillac Cimarron".
Last edited by Glashub; 12-24-14 at 02:16 PM.
#70
This thread is ridiculous.
Not once has anyone ever crossed shopped a 3IS with a muscle car at my store.
Is it impossible? No.
Is it improbable? Yes.
Someone please lock this thread.
Not once has anyone ever crossed shopped a 3IS with a muscle car at my store.
Is it impossible? No.
Is it improbable? Yes.
Someone please lock this thread.
#71
I myself am guilty of considering a new Mustang GT or an IS350 F Sport. Apples and oranges for sure, but each appeals to me on different levels.
That put a smile on my face. You'd be really amazed at how some people cross shop. I met a guy just last month that traded his 2015 Mazda CX-5 in for a 2015 Mustang Ecboost. I know someone who was cross shopping the Q50S and a Jeep Wrangler for crying out loud. I think he ended up with both though. I even talked to a friend of a friend last year who was cross shopping the; Miata, Jetta, Escape, and Camry... and asked me for my opinion. I told her I genuinely thought she was crazy.
That put a smile on my face. You'd be really amazed at how some people cross shop. I met a guy just last month that traded his 2015 Mazda CX-5 in for a 2015 Mustang Ecboost. I know someone who was cross shopping the Q50S and a Jeep Wrangler for crying out loud. I think he ended up with both though. I even talked to a friend of a friend last year who was cross shopping the; Miata, Jetta, Escape, and Camry... and asked me for my opinion. I told her I genuinely thought she was crazy.
#72
Lexus Test Driver
When my lease is up on my IS 350 f sport I'm getting either the Cadillac CTS-v sport or the ATS-vsport I haven't decided yet.
But I'm done with Lexus I think for a while.
Tired of the crappy nav that can't play pandora or iPod reliably, lack of anything forced induction, seat heaters that don't get warm. And a list of other annoyances.
But I'm done with Lexus I think for a while.
Tired of the crappy nav that can't play pandora or iPod reliably, lack of anything forced induction, seat heaters that don't get warm. And a list of other annoyances.
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