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03-16-12, 04:43 PM
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like others have said
lower your tire pressure, you have it a bit high
check alignment
mich PS1 are not that great in the wet, The super sports are pretty much superior in every way comapred to the PS1
also im curious as to what you drive? maybe you aren't used to the torque and throttle response to the F yet?
lower your tire pressure, you have it a bit high
check alignment
mich PS1 are not that great in the wet, The super sports are pretty much superior in every way comapred to the PS1
also im curious as to what you drive? maybe you aren't used to the torque and throttle response to the F yet?
I keep a 2010 Porsche 997.2 GT3. I admit the torque on the ISF may be overwhelming. I think I'm just very used to driving manual for more precise control.
must see pics lol
03-16-12, 05:00 PM
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I am curious to give the ISF a run on the track with proper tires and alignment. My wife wants me to love this car as much as she does. However, I do find the ISF is the best looking car comparing to the M3 and C63.
Here's a couple more pics of the GT3:
03-16-12, 10:50 PM
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Thanks guys - love the GT3. Does everything I want it to and a pleasure for the street and track.
Here's hoping that our ISF will drive as I hoped for with new tires, proper pressures & alignment.
Here's hoping that our ISF will drive as I hoped for with new tires, proper pressures & alignment.
03-17-12, 08:18 AM
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Nice GT3!!! (one of my dream cars!)
He's obviously no stranger to speed guys...
Since he asked, here's my track vid of the F: (keep in mind it's no GT3, and I'm a novice at the track!!!)
He's obviously no stranger to speed guys...
Since he asked, here's my track vid of the F: (keep in mind it's no GT3, and I'm a novice at the track!!!)
03-17-12, 11:25 AM
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If you're unhappy with the F, you would have been unhappy with any of your options. The F laps VIR faster than all of them (and faster than a Cayman S). Expecting any of the cars you mentioned to feel like a GT3 is silly at best. Just one question though - where were the fast guys in your videos? I didn't see any, you included. I've been right seat in a 2004 GT3 at Roebling Road and Carolina Motorsports Park with a gentleman owner on PSCs, not even one of the real racers, and we went considerably more quickly through the fast turns.
The F at the track is a heavy sedan, just like the rest of the class. It understeers and gets unsettled on uphill braking sections. It can be hard on brakes (probably not at SIR or whatever they're calling it now, there's not much hard braking on that track), but it doesn't have traction issues any greater than its competitors. Your complaints are driver and tire problems, not car problems.
The F at the track is a heavy sedan, just like the rest of the class. It understeers and gets unsettled on uphill braking sections. It can be hard on brakes (probably not at SIR or whatever they're calling it now, there's not much hard braking on that track), but it doesn't have traction issues any greater than its competitors. Your complaints are driver and tire problems, not car problems.
03-17-12, 12:19 PM
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Apples and Oranges... you cannot set your expectations for the F based on your GT3 experience. Too totally different beasts. Compared to others in its class (sports sedans) the ISF holds up very well. As a former 996 guy myself the Porsche is a very unique beast having a 38%F / 62%R rear biased weight distribution with the engine hanging right over the rear tires. (ISF F54% / R46%)Plus you are talking a huge difference in tire size. I'm guessing the GT3 is shod with 305's and the F with stock 255's. You are also talking about 297 lb/ft torque in the GT3 and 371 lb/ft in the F.
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03-17-12, 09:52 PM
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Nice GT3!!! (one of my dream cars!)
He's obviously no stranger to speed guys...
Since he asked, here's my track vid of the F: (keep in mind it's no GT3, and I'm a novice at the track!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpclprHXRFU
He's obviously no stranger to speed guys...
Since he asked, here's my track vid of the F: (keep in mind it's no GT3, and I'm a novice at the track!!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpclprHXRFU
Love the F WOT on the straights.
03-17-12, 10:04 PM
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If you're unhappy with the F, you would have been unhappy with any of your options. The F laps VIR faster than all of them (and faster than a Cayman S). Expecting any of the cars you mentioned to feel like a GT3 is silly at best. Just one question though - where were the fast guys in your videos? I didn't see any, you included. I've been right seat in a 2004 GT3 at Roebling Road and Carolina Motorsports Park with a gentleman owner on PSCs, not even one of the real racers, and we went considerably more quickly through the fast turns.
The F at the track is a heavy sedan, just like the rest of the class. It understeers and gets unsettled on uphill braking sections. It can be hard on brakes (probably not at SIR or whatever they're calling it now, there's not much hard braking on that track), but it doesn't have traction issues any greater than its competitors. Your complaints are driver and tire problems, not car problems.
The F at the track is a heavy sedan, just like the rest of the class. It understeers and gets unsettled on uphill braking sections. It can be hard on brakes (probably not at SIR or whatever they're calling it now, there's not much hard braking on that track), but it doesn't have traction issues any greater than its competitors. Your complaints are driver and tire problems, not car problems.
Apples and Oranges... you cannot set your expectations for the F based on your GT3 experience. Too totally different beasts. Compared to others in its class (sports sedans) the ISF holds up very well. As a former 996 guy myself the Porsche is a very unique beast having a 38%F / 62%R rear biased weight distribution with the engine hanging right over the rear tires. (ISF F54% / R46%)Plus you are talking a huge difference in tire size. I'm guessing the GT3 is shod with 305's and the F with stock 255's. You are also talking about 297 lb/ft torque in the GT3 and 371 lb/ft in the F.
Good to hear your experiences with the F and relative performance. I have no idea of the GT3's driver's ability, or setup, or yours, so I can't fairly make a comment. I care less about absolute speed and lap times than my connection with the car. This is my issue with the F at the moment.
My videos are for my memories with friends. Not a who's faster than who video. I track often and run in upper intermediate/advanced groups. My goal is to enjoy track time, friends, and be able to make it home in one piece in the same car. No interest to push my limits and shave off seconds each lap. I shared videos since I asked for some F track videos.
Good to know you find no traction issues on the F. I'll figure out if it's tires, alignment or me soon enough.
Yes, torque and modulation of gas is probably something I should adjust to.
I will sign up the F for a track day this year in my local advanced group and make a video. Maybe some bonding time will solve my issues.
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