Helo58

It is not as much "hate" for FCA as it is the reputation they have earned. Just as Lexus has earned their reliability reputation. There may be one measure that is in tenths of a point, but that is one out of hundreds. In others industry engineers and scientists, automotive journalists, owners, etc. currently and overwhelmingly pan FCA autos. Fiat was in the US previously and left due to dismal product failures. Based on a recent consumer publication, Lexus scored an 86 and Fiat a 17 (out of 100). Hardly a 0.1% difference. Closer to a 70% difference. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...nds-available/

GarageB

Clarkson made a good point with it - it has a Ferrari engine, granted smaller, in an italian sedan under $100k.

It looks good - better than most sedans...alright not 'better' but definitely bolder and will hopefully force the competition to get more risky.

The interior looks good. My single biggest complaint with our platform is the homely interior.

It has some character to it. Some insane exhaust on it and I bet it would sound life changing.

Would I want to buy one new? Eh, maybe not - but what I would do is be patient, wait a few years and see what happens with them. Maybe they'll have some early problems and catch a bad rap, then end up nicely depreciated and CPO'd.

That, and the F-Type coupe, are both on my list.

Vitveet

Well said. The '17 F-Type SVR may be my next toy 2-3 years down the road depending on how things turn out with the LC-F and/or if they bring back the ISF in the next 2-4 years.
But back on this car, seems like a nice car, but for some reason, not feeling it whatsoever. Not "grabbing" me like the ISF did years ago.

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liquidtek

My first impression of the car seeing it in person the other day was that its much smaller than I expected. I'd say that the interior size resembles our cars which means not a lot of passenger room.

Piciu

I'm not a huge fun of how Alfa looks, but still I will test-drive it when spring comes...
Main reason is that you can have it with a stick and I'm missing it a lot. It also sounds good for a turbo.

Many people here are bringing unreliability as main argument 'against'. The fact is that Alfa improved a lot recently. I know couple of guys who owned Alfa GT and they were really happy. And, service cost is waaay cheaper than Lexus, at least in Europe. Anyway, the best is to wait a bit and to see.

Rossi

iTrader: (4)

^^^^^ You are so lucky getting a choice of manual tranny. USA gets only automatic.

FIGS

iTrader: (11)

It's a hard car to ignore spec wise and even Alfa seems to avoid its front fascia in the videos. The Stelvio gets an equal butter face rating, but I am sure the front grill could be modded. After all are we not all creative in looking past the car that is there to the car we all seek.

USA auto tranny would kill it IMO, gotta be a stick to enjoy that boosted power delivery.
Mike

kbtoiz

iTrader: (4)

A review vid dy Doug DeMuro that he uploaded last night.


I like the car too. But the price, not so much.

FFM

That dude has an extremely punchable face. Can't stand listening to him talk, or seeing his redundant hand gestures.

Vitveet

I definitely see where you're coming from, lol😂.
Pretty good review though.

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MileHIFcar

I'm baffled at how many views and subscribers Doug DeMuro has??!! I don't get his appeal with all the quality reviewers on Youtube

daedalus

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Every review of the manual option say that it sucks and the Auto actually compliments the car much better. I honestly dig this car. But i'm not jumping in until we see if the initial reliability is good or if it's still got Italian DNA.

yardie876

I'm actually subscribed to his channel. I wouldn't call his videos reviews, as his videos are always light-hearted and focused on the things you wouldn't have seen in a standard review. It's interesting seeing the idiosyncrasies of some of the cars he's "reviewed". If you want a straightforward review on performance, comfort, etc, there are plenty other channels on the tube.

Vervish

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The Alfa won a recent C&D comparison test against the M3, C63 and ATS-V. Coincidentally, they managed to put the car in limp mode while trying to use the remote start feature - they did this twice! Electronic gremlins are still alive and well..

FFM

Meh, I'd say for a street car and performer the C63s is hard to beat. Just an animal of a car. It beat out that trash can on wheels Hellcat even for best sedan on the Esquire network's car challenge because of how much more well rounded it was.

This appears to be a precision built sedan which is pretty sweet, but like they kept saying on the Grand Tour, Alpha hasn't made a good car in decades so they have to prove themselves first haha.