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Old 06-25-14, 04:49 PM   #31
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I think I'm actually a little high. Smaller engines have to work harder. NX weights haven't been released yet. From the last meetings I was in, the NX hybrid gains were not nearly as impressive as one would expect. Unless something drastic changed in final tuning, I wouldn't expect more than 32 combined.
Now that would be pathetic.
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Old 06-25-14, 05:27 PM   #32
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We have NX300h figures published for Europe, and they are class leading - NX300h gets exactly the same consumption as ES300h does in Russia (only markets where they are both sold in Europe at the same time).

Of course, EU tests are different from US ones, so official numbers might be different for EPA testing but it should not be that different.
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I think I'm actually a little high. Smaller engines have to work harder. NX weights haven't been released yet. From the last meetings I was in, the NX hybrid gains were not nearly as impressive as one would expect. Unless something drastic changed in final tuning, I wouldn't expect more than 32 combined.
I believe I saw literature from another country's brochure that showed the AWD NX 300h w all options to be 4004 lbs. Approximately 400 or so more than the ESh if I recall correctly.

If what you say about 32 mpg combined ends up being true I would likely wait and see what the remodel of the RX hybrid brings about or buy a new Prius when the remodel is out,
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Old 06-29-14, 03:54 PM   #34
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The awd version will get less depending on the transmission and gearing its totally different than the cars. The cars also are FWD and weigh slightly less.
I'd expect the NX300h FWD to get 35 plus all around - AWD probably lose 1-2 mpg. Again transmissions play a huge role here too.
The turbo model 24-26 all around more than likely. July 6th is the date correct? Curb weight for the ES300h 3660 -

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I believe I saw literature from another country's brochure that showed the AWD NX 300h w all options to be 4004 lbs. Approximately 400 or so more than the ESh if I recall correctly.

If what you say about 32 mpg combined ends up being true I would likely wait and see what the remodel of the RX hybrid brings about or buy a new Prius when the remodel is out,
" Though not yet rated by the EPA, Lexus projects mileage ratings of 22 city, 28 highway and 24 combined for the turbo and 35/31/33 for front-wheel-drive hybrids (expect a one-mpg combined hit for AWD models with either engine)."

Looks like my memory was right about the 32, for the AWD. 33 for FWD.
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The awd version will get less depending on the transmission and gearing its totally different than the cars.
The rear wheels isn't powered by the combustion engine and CVT gearbox. There's no prop shaft on the hybrid.The AWD is accomplished by an additional electric motor on the rear axle.
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The rear wheels isn't powered by the combustion engine and CVT gearbox. There's no prop shaft on the hybrid.The AWD is accomplished by an additional electric motor on the rear axle.
Interesting. Not sure how that plays into the fuel mileage.

No prop shaft might help - that presents a drag. July 6th will reveal a lot hopefully.
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" Though not yet rated by the EPA, Lexus projects mileage ratings of 22 city, 28 highway and 24 combined for the turbo and 35/31/33 for front-wheel-drive hybrids (expect a one-mpg combined hit for AWD models with either engine)."

Looks like my memory was right about the 32, for the AWD. 33 for FWD.

Yeah, you got it right on paper. Let's see if the EPA bumps it a little (or not).

I think in the real world, one can achieve higher. Lexus has always been very conservative with their Hybrids and I've always beat the ratings, for city driving though.
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Interesting. Not sure how that plays into the fuel mileage.

No prop shaft might help - that presents a drag. July 6th will reveal a lot hopefully.
Removing both propshaft and rear differential does a lot for the mechanical drag. The drag from the electric motor that replaces them is negligible.

However, the off-road performance will suffer when there's no proper AWD system.
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Yeah, you got it right on paper. Let's see if the EPA bumps it a little (or not).

I think in the real world, one can achieve higher. Lexus has always been very conservative with their Hybrids and I've always beat the ratings, for city driving though.
Hybrids, like turbos, can vary wildly with the driver. I've driven a significant number of Toyota and Lexus hybrids, but i tend to come just under their EPA city ratings, and then somewhat more under the highway ratings.
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From msnautos.ca

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While official fuel-economy ratings haven’t been announced, my observed averages over the day’s driving looks in the ballpark of what rivals provide. Starting in Whistler village, the 300h was pounded up and down the Sea-to-Sky route, ending in North Vancouver for lunch. During the trip, it averaged 9.7 L/100 km. The 200t went back the same way, passing Whistler, heading up around Pemberton before turning around and finishing back in the village. It averaged 10.2 L/100 km by the trip's end.
In US ratings: 24 MPG (300h); 23 mpg (200t). This shows (as expected) the 300h does not excel on mountainous highway roads and under heavy throttle. The Turbo on the other hand is surprisingly good as it shows that by having more power, it forced less (drank less) under the same road conditions.
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Removing both propshaft and rear differential does a lot for the mechanical drag. The drag from the electric motor that replaces them is negligible.

However, the off-road performance will suffer when there's no proper AWD system.
....be honest anyone buys one for off roading is quite frankly brain dead. I like awd for nasty winter roads even my lifted tundra rarely goes offroad.

unless you go off road by mistake.
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....be honest anyone buys one for off roading is quite frankly brain dead. I like awd for nasty winter roads even my lifted tundra rarely goes offroad.

unless you go off road by mistake.
Agreed. But after the torsen awd in my previous Audi, i'm quite certain that the fake awd on the NXh will be far behind in performance, even on road.
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