Arty101

Got it. As I said, I recalled reading that CR reported that info - I wasn't quoting them since i couldn't recall which issue. I think I recall they compared the Accord's mpg against other cars and they were a lot lower. That said, what you're saying is that their data is more theoretical and not real world testing. I think they should reflect real world conditions, otherwise it's sort of misleading in my mind.

LexBob2

See above, in their Road Test of a 4 cylinder Accord they got 30 mpg overall, which is close to the EPA estimate..

bruce van

The only data that Consumer Reports that is relevant to me is reliability and cost of ownership. PERIOD.

Driving and owning a car is completely subjective. People buy cars for a multitude of reasons. Whether it drives "better" than the ES is also subjective. If it does, great job to GM for finally building a competitive car.

gfr1

No, that isn't what I meant. When they do their mpg checks, they do a repeatable driving profile which is displayed in their vehicle comparison evaluations. But, when they do drag comparisons (such as the variables of a bicycle rack, drag reduction devices, open or closed windows, pick-up tail gate up or down, etc., that these forums debate from time-to-time) they don't want start-up, acceleration, A/C , heat, etc. They want to measure the mpg drag variables, such as bicycle rack, bicycle rack with bicycle, evaluation of drag reducing devices, etc. For that, they want to eliminate variables other than drag differences, hence the short term steady-state reading for each drag configuration, which then compares the variable drag mpg readings that will be different from normal user day-to-day profile mpg values.

SW17LS

"Rides better" is also a subjective term. The "Lexus ride" as I call it is not about just bump isolation...its not a numb ride like you have in an old Lincoln for instance, The overall feel of a Lexus has a lot to do with refinement, the way the car moves over the road and the bumps, the smoothness of everything it does without wallowing or floating. I've driven cars that ride better than an LS let alone an ES from purely a bump isolation experience, but overall the ride isn't the same.

Braindrain

Interesting. I've tried some domestic cars (Chrysler, Chevy) which had a nice ride when they are brand spanking new. However, after a year or 2, problems creep in and the ride isn't anywhere what it was in the beginning.

Arty101

I would say the same. After a few years, I wonder what the owners would think/say about the Impala. Same reason CR don't make it a "Recommended" car since there's no historical data from owners for this new model year.

SW17LS

Gotta give them time...we've had our fair share of issues with our Jeep, little nagging problems you just wouldn't have with a Lexus, Toyota, Honda, etc. BUT, the ride is excellent and is just as excellent at 32,000 miles.

txes

My nephew ordered a new Impala. Almost $40K.

It is a nice car, but it isn't a plush car. Seats feel hard and one can tell the materials used are... Chevrolet-like.

I wouldn't spend that kind of money for it.

John

Joeb427

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and in a couple of months that just under $40k will be discounted to $35K and the new Impala is a bargain at $35K if you like that type of car..

LexBob2

A couple of months ago the Impala came in 2nd in a C&D comparo which included Avalon, Charger, Chrysler 300, Cadenza and Azera. The As Tested price was $35-$36k. The Avalon won the comparo over the Impala by 3 points.

A pretty good mix of competitive cars IMO.

gmanusmc

You got it Arty - either one is fine with me!

bc6152

Well I agree with both of you but since I can't afford a Z06 I'll just keep my '66.

gmanusmc

I'd rather have your 66 than either a ZR1 or a Z06 - wish I still had my 67 roadster I had in younger days

mrBillFL

those are nice.... but. if we are talking pick of the litter