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Old 05-27-16, 12:39 PM
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I'm not too sure about the conclusions drawn in the article. Even linking (two articles) back to the "original" article, the full interview text is not posted so it is hard to tell exactly what was stated by Uyttenhoven. The conclusion that CT sales have underachieved is only something stated by the article author, as the only quote provided from Uyttenhoven is that Lexus' European sales in the segment aren't good enough (so based only on that, the need for a CUV could be understood as in addition, not necessarily as a replacement).

The raw data is this: The CT has sold 267,000 units since introduction, and that's only since it was released in 2011. In comparison, the RX hybrid - Lexus' best selling - has 335,000 total sales since introduction, and that's all the way back in 2005. Hard to believe the CT is considered a failure.
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Old 05-27-16, 01:31 PM
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they need to turn the CT into a hot hatch.
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Old 05-27-16, 03:37 PM
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The two strikes are that it's a hatchback and that it's slow. If one is going to peddle a hatch, which America views as cheap and nerdy, it at least needs to be a hot hatch. Bad combo.
What they need to do, and I've been saying this for years, is to mimic the formula Audi uses with the current A3. A fleeting, yet compact sedan that is efficient, would appeal to a mass amount of people.
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Old 05-27-16, 04:15 PM
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They should have done a CT300h with the ES's 2.5L. 200 total system hp that yields essentially same mpg as the CT200h. The little 1.8L is so strained..
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Old 05-27-16, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chromedome
The CT doesn't sell well because Toyota doesn't know what it is. A sporty hatchback to go against Euro hatches like the Golf or Astra? A quiet and comfy small cruiser like the Verano? Or just a Lexified Prius?

I don't mind the styling or the hybrid drivetrain but the hard and noisy ride go against the Lexus brand character.
Totally agree. I had one as a loaner when I had my GS F Sport and although it was fun to throw around the ride and the noise felt like the cheapest of economy cars.
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Old 05-28-16, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
They should have done a CT300h with the ES's 2.5L. 200 total system hp that yields essentially same mpg as the CT200h. The little 1.8L is so strained..
What they really need to do, IMO, is a CT with more sound insulation and more give in the suspension/tires....something that drives more like a Lexus instead of a Toyota.
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Old 05-28-16, 10:35 PM
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All the more galling when the latest Prius is a lot more comfy, quieter and handles better. It's like they made a Lexus body for the CT but left all the old Prius bits intact, hence the lack of sound insulation and the hard ride.

Then again, maybe the target market doesn't want a quiet and cushy ride. I've seen plenty of slammed CTs with huge rims, dual exhaust tips and next to no suspension travel.
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Old 05-29-16, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gengar
The raw data is this: The CT has sold 267,000 units since introduction, and that's only since it was released in 2011. In comparison, the RX hybrid - Lexus' best selling - has 335,000 total sales since introduction, and that's all the way back in 2005. Hard to believe the CT is considered a failure.
CT is much cheaper volume class model, so it's reasonable that they were expecting more sales.
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Old 05-29-16, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by nacke
CT is much cheaper volume class model, so it's reasonable that they were expecting more sales.
Not sure it's reasonable, but doesn't change my greater point that nothing in the interview quotes suggests Uyttenhoven actually said that.
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