Volkswagen diesel scandal
10-02-15, 07:37 PM
#271
Lexus Fanatic
10-02-15, 08:24 PM
#272
Lexus Champion
Credit Susie is saying it could cost Volkswagen up to 87 billion. 
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/02/news...credit-suisse/
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/02/news...credit-suisse/
10-02-15, 08:58 PM
#274
Lexus Fanatic
I joined CL when I owned my IS300, looking for some data on a factory TSB/ECU update for the IS300's 5-speed automatic. The rest is history.....I liked the site (especially CAR CHAT), and stayed on even after I no longer physically owed a Lexus. (Hoovey2411, BTW, also does some good reviews himself, besides the the numerous autoblog articles he posts. Occasionally, we also get reviews from other CL members).
On the VW scandal, BTW, VW stock is down to the $90-92 range, from a high some time ago of $208. (It's likely to drop even further). Somebody here is going to take a bath...especially if they actually sell their shares (though according to IRS tax laws, the first $3000 in capital losses can be deducted). Of course, one could hold on to their stock and see if it eventually recovers at least some if its former value if or when VW gets through this crisis without folding.
Last edited by mmarshall; 10-02-15 at 09:02 PM.
10-03-15, 10:48 AM
#275
Lexus Champion
Here's How Much Horsepower Volkswagens Lose From Their Diesel Defeat Device
http://jalopnik.com/heres-how-much-h...%28Jalopnik%29
Volkswagen’s up the creek with their Dieselgate fiasco. They created a “cheat” calibration meant to trick the EPA into thinking their cars are cleaner than they really are. But there might be a quick fix. Question is: how much will this fix cost you in performance?
We’ve already told you that Volkswagen’s “fix” for their smog-inducing diesels will cost you performance, but how much performance are we talkin’ here?
We can’t tell you exactly how much, but TFL Car put on its nerdy scientist hat and ran a quick and dirty experiment. They strapped a 2011 Jetta TDI to a dyno and produced power curves with only the front wheels spinning and then again with all four wheels spinning.
Why did they do this? Well, we’ve shown you the basics on how the “dyno calibration” works. One input VW uses to determine if the car is on a dyno being emissions tested is the wheel speed sensors. If all four wheels are spinning, the ECU will read the sensors and think the car is probably on the road. If the rear wheels are stationary while the fronts are spinning, chances are the car is on a dyno, and that’s when Volkswagen activates cheater mode.
By that logic, when tested on a four-wheel drive dyno with the rears spinning, the car should run normally and produce good power numbers, while on a two-wheel drive dyno with the rear wheels sitting still, there should be a performance degradation as the car activates its dubious “defeat mode.”
TFL Car’s results show exactly that. Peak power between both sets of data looks about the same, but the real difference is low and mid-range torque. The biggest torque disparity occurs at about 2700 RPM, where the “non-cheater” data with all four wheels rolling showed a whopping 32 lb-ft more torque. The biggest difference in horsepower occurred at 2800 RPM— the uninhibited car made 15 more ponies.
We don’t know how many tests TFL Car ran or if they truly were able to produce “apples-to-apples” torque curves, but if so, their numbers could indicate about how much power Volkswagen’s software fix is going to cost VW TDI owners.
Volkswagen’s up the creek with their Dieselgate fiasco. They created a “cheat” calibration meant to trick the EPA into thinking their cars are cleaner than they really are. But there might be a quick fix. Question is: how much will this fix cost you in performance?
We’ve already told you that Volkswagen’s “fix” for their smog-inducing diesels will cost you performance, but how much performance are we talkin’ here?
We can’t tell you exactly how much, but TFL Car put on its nerdy scientist hat and ran a quick and dirty experiment. They strapped a 2011 Jetta TDI to a dyno and produced power curves with only the front wheels spinning and then again with all four wheels spinning.
Why did they do this? Well, we’ve shown you the basics on how the “dyno calibration” works. One input VW uses to determine if the car is on a dyno being emissions tested is the wheel speed sensors. If all four wheels are spinning, the ECU will read the sensors and think the car is probably on the road. If the rear wheels are stationary while the fronts are spinning, chances are the car is on a dyno, and that’s when Volkswagen activates cheater mode.
By that logic, when tested on a four-wheel drive dyno with the rears spinning, the car should run normally and produce good power numbers, while on a two-wheel drive dyno with the rear wheels sitting still, there should be a performance degradation as the car activates its dubious “defeat mode.”
TFL Car’s results show exactly that. Peak power between both sets of data looks about the same, but the real difference is low and mid-range torque. The biggest torque disparity occurs at about 2700 RPM, where the “non-cheater” data with all four wheels rolling showed a whopping 32 lb-ft more torque. The biggest difference in horsepower occurred at 2800 RPM— the uninhibited car made 15 more ponies.
We don’t know how many tests TFL Car ran or if they truly were able to produce “apples-to-apples” torque curves, but if so, their numbers could indicate about how much power Volkswagen’s software fix is going to cost VW TDI owners.
10-03-15, 11:45 AM
#277
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10-03-15, 01:02 PM
#278
Lexus Fanatic
10-03-15, 02:05 PM
#279
So yes, losing 20-30-40 billion is really bad for VW, but the company wont go down by any means.
10-03-15, 06:39 PM
#282
Lexus Champion
What is wrong with environmental engineers? Without them you would have no clean water to drink and would be living in your ****. I will add that environmental engineering is nearly as old as civilization itself.
10-03-15, 07:45 PM
#284
Lexus Test Driver
BTW, here's the article that outlines how they determined how many deaths:
http://www.chroniclejournal.com/busi...e871dd500.html
Interesting quote:
The calculations should be put in context of air that is getting dramatically cleaner in the United States, experts said. Also, the deaths from extra pollution are dwarfed by the 35,000 people in the U.S. a year who die in auto accidents and are closer to the annual U.S. death toll of spider or snake bites.
Last edited by My0gr81; 10-03-15 at 07:54 PM.
10-03-15, 08:33 PM
#285
Lexus Champion
Thread Starter
why would vw go down? It will hurt them for sure, but VW has over 40 billion in cash right now. All of their current vehicles on sale (2016 models) are fine, only 2015 and before are not.
So yes, losing 20-30-40 billion is really bad for VW, but the company wont go down by any means.
So yes, losing 20-30-40 billion is really bad for VW, but the company wont go down by any means.
Among its major shareholders is also the state of Lower Saxony, Germany, where VW has its HQ (Wolfsburg, Lower Saxony). Lower Saxony bought into VW years ago to prevent a foreign takeover (and resulting loss of jobs). Who does not think that Lower Saxony will not do what is needed to help save VW?