bagwell

2015 KOGOD MADE IN AMERICA AUTO INDEX TABLE KEY | Profit Margin, 6%: 6 if U.S. company; 0 if foreign | Labor, 6%: 6 if assembled in U.S.; 0 if foreign | Research & Development, 6%: 6 if U.S. company; 3 if foreign and assembled in U.S.; 1 if foreign and imported | Inventory, Capital, & Other Expenses, 11%: 11 if assembled in U.S.; 0 if assembled outside of U.S. | Engine, 14%: 14 if U.S. produced; 0 if not | Transmission, 7%: 7 if U.S. produced; 0 if not | Body, Interior, Chassis, Electrical & Other, 50%: 2015 AALA% divided by 2.






Notes:

*Data for 2015 was not available. Data used from AALA 2014.

**In 2014, Fiat acquired the outstanding shares of Chrysler. The new entity, Fiat Chrysler Automotive (FCA), is headquartered in the Netherlands with a tax domicile in London, and shares listed on the New York Stock Exchange. As such, because of the hybrid nature of its organizational structure and its large production and R&D presence in the U.S., we assigned a value of 3 for profit margin and R&D, rather than a 6 or 0.

http://www.american.edu/kogod/autoindex/2015.cfm

Rockville

in Kentucky for the 2016 ES350/ES300h and will make their way onto the Kogod listing. The engine will probably be made stateside and the order lead time will be cut in half. It will be available in Red, White and Blue. Buy American all you want. It will not depreciate like a domestic car however and the tolerances will be about a thousandth of a millimeter. Robots and talented people will take pride in the quality. W. Edwards Deming and Taiichi Ohno would be proud.

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rogerh00

I just read that Ford is closing a Plant in Detroit and moving it to Mexico. I guess you can tell all those workers that just lost a job you don't care.
The two closest schools to where I live was reported to have over 50% Hispanic students with Spanish as their first language. You may not see any effect yet but the horse is out the barn, we've been invaded and it will only get worse with Obama. Time to sign up for that Spanish language class.

My0gr81

That's what the British said when the wave of Italians came stateside, and the Italians said when the wave of Greeks came stateside and then the Greeks said when the Eastern Europeans came stateside. See a pattern here? US and Canada was built, grown and prospered due to immigrants. There is so much empty land, get used to it.

rogerh00

They were all legal immigrants. See the difference?

My0gr81

They all showed up at the shores. In those times, the law was you make it to shore, you're in. Illegal immigration is overblown, it is a problem for some of the border states but in the grand scheme of the total population, it is negligible.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/artic...-united-states

tex2670

I'm not sure the point here. So I should buy a Ford to support jobs in Mexico? Ford could be killing it in every category, but if it's cheaper to build the car in Mexico, that's where they build it. Whether I buy a Ford or not.

And that's my exact point--look what BUY AMERICAN gets you--a car built in Mexico. And how many buyers know that?

And last I checked, they don't build a lot of cars in Florida, so I'm not sure what car building off shore has to do with the demographics in your area.

mmarshall

It is nothing new to have Ford products built in Mexico...it has been done for decades. Almost 30 years ago, in the late 1980s, the compact Mercury Tracer (a modified Mazda 323) was built in the well-known plant at Hermosillo. Later, Escort and Focus models were built there. Today, the plant builds the Ford Fusion and Lincoln MKZ for the American market.

And how many buyers CARE? That seems to be one of the points we're debating in this thread. Look, for example, at how buyers are scooping up the Mexican-built Honda HR-V (my brother was almost one of them, before deciding on a Kia Sportage)........despite the fact that the HR-V's plant had dishonest people working there and a number of supplies were stolen both from there and from suppliers.

tex2670

Frankly, I think a lot of people care, and purposely buy American--American makes, that is. People who are not "car people", and don't even know that a forum like this exists. But they assume because they buy an American make, that they have purchased an "American car".

My0gr81

Like a certain "German" brand of cars but made in Mexico? I always get a laugh when some of co-workers that drive that brand and comment on my higher trim Toyota. I ask them where their car was made and they get surprised when I point that particular model actually came from Mexico. I then ask them what they do when the car is in for unscheduled servicing. Always to interrupt and point out it was a rhetorical question since answer should be "Bus Metro Walk".

rogerh00

You're confusing the Cuban Policy with all the others. All documented legal immigrants go thru a process to enter the US. Policies have changed over the years but most had to be documented in their home country and get a passport, then have a medical exam with vaccinations and other scrutiny. They did not just show up as you suggest.

The un-documented living in the shadows here don't pay income taxes or property taxes but send all their children to school for free. They drive on the highways in unregistered cars with no insurance while collecting all kinds of social welfare. Yes, it's a problem you just haven't seen it. Maybe I should move to Canada, can I just show up?

This is way off topic so I'm done with this.

bitkahuna

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tell that to Kate Steinle's parents, who, like their lovely dead daughter, were not in a border state.

and how many people do you think "a lot" is that claim to 'purposely buy American makes'? i think it's minuscule, and now people even buy brands they THINK are 'american makes' but really aren't, and even if they are (GM, Ford, Chrysler), these consumers probably don't realize that the three of those build tons of vehicles offered in the united states OUTSIDE the united states, or that chrysler is part of an italian company.

my jeep is an 'american' name plate since 1941 (i know that date because the 1941 marker is all over it, lol). the grand cherokee has been made for decades, and got german influence, a platform, and parts from mercedes when daimler owned chrysler, and now they offer the italian fiat diesel for it. but is it 'american made'? well, mostly. do i care? not at all.

what about lexus made in canada, or hyundai/kias made in georgia, or zillions of camrys and accords, made to u.s. specs, in kentucky and ohio?

it's all a blur.

tex2670

I'd be willing to bet over 25% of Americans purposely "buy American"; however, in no way am I suggesting that they are making anything close to an informed decision.

The converse: friends of ours have owned VWs for many years, and when their family was growing, and they needed a minivan, they were happy to be able to choose the Routan to replace their Passat wagon. I didn't bother to tell them they were just buying a Chrysler, without the Stow-n-Go seating.

mmarshall

You're correct that the Routan was a rebadged Dodge Caravan, minus some equipment/features. And, not surprisingly, it was built on the same assembly line (Windsor, Canada) as the Dodge/Chrysler minivans. Some people, though, consider Windsor, just across the river from Detroit, to be, if not geographically, for auto-assembly purposes, actually part of the U.S. It's (likely) that a number of the employees at that plant live right across the river in Detroit or the Detroit suburbs. Ford also has an assembly plant in Windsor.....just a few blocks from the river.

Aron9000

I have a friend who was a VW nut back in the 90's/00's who had 3 or 4 of them before he finally got fed up with them and switched to Toyota. He said the German made Golfs and Sicirreo he owned were far superior to that Mexican made POS Jetta he had.