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Old 07-28-14, 03:06 PM   #16
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^They said that for NX, too, and the marketing jargon ended up being untrue. I hope they are able to tweak power and efficiency for future applications and engines.
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^They said that for NX, too, and the marketing jargon ended up being untrue. I hope they are able to tweak power and efficiency for future applications and engines.
Whatever it ends up to be, it's an exciting time for Lexus fans. So much coming down the 1-3 year pipeline. NX and RC aren't even out yet and the anticipation for GS refresh and 4RX is killing me
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agreed, i don't have a 'problem' with lexus doing it - as i said, lexus like all brands must adapt, and if it helps lexus, great. i just don't find the idea of a 4cyl turbo GS very appealing, but that's just me. it actually aligns well with competitors, particularly outside of the u.s. though.
i personally (for my driving pleasure) it's not my pick at all either, but say the 2.0 tt setup that bmw has now for 328 and 528, it's actually quite powerful for what it is and gives great compromise between price / power / gas mileage. if lexus can do something similar? i can take that. just don't make that into the LS line i say
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I would like to see them revamp the GR V6 like they just did the UR V8 from ISF to RCF, and keep it N/A. I guess we'll see if that happens.
well, this is already happening though :-).

Toyota said that will update 14 engine families with this new tech which was outlined in their April 2014 presentation... Of course, the biggest change will be VVT-iW that brings Otto/Atkinson change when ECU decides (it is electric motor powered VVTi system). Plus new D4S, higher compression and all other changes.

They consider these engines all new and it is next generation to go into 2020's.

Any future turbo V6 will be based on these engines as basis.
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^They said that for NX, too, and the marketing jargon ended up being untrue. I hope they are able to tweak power and efficiency for future applications and engines.
i wouldnt be too sure that it wont be best balance of both for the class though... i am not sure anyone else can deliver same real life mpg, we will see in the tests.
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if lexus can do something similar? i can take that. just don't make that into the LS line i say
You'd be surprised, Henry, at just how far up the automotive line 2.0T engines are getting today. Audi now uses them in the A6, and Lincoln in both the MKZ and MKC. But you can relax.....they aren't in the LS line yet.

Give the EPA a few more years, though, and...................
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You'd be surprised, Henry, at just how far up the automotive line 2.0T engines are getting today. Audi now uses them in the A6, and Lincoln in both the MKZ and MKC. But you can relax.....they aren't in the LS line yet.

Give the EPA a few more years, though, and.
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If the company has enough fuel efficient cars then it won't matter as long as collectively they match fuel economy mandates.

Some sort of super CT ought to do the trick
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Audi sells FWD I-4 210hp CVT A4s and A6s in droves, I don't see anyone on the internet *****ing about that.

The GS sorely needs an entry level engine, the 3.5 V-6 cannot be the only engine choice as the hybrid is a very very small seller. The GS than should have

GS 200t- 240hp
GS 350-306hp
GS 450h-340hp
GS F - 475hp
I like your GS line up. Lexus desperately needs to bring in a GS 200t as a GS entry level model line. Then Lexus can keep the GS 450h and definitely bring in the GS F...now we're talking...

GS 200t 240hp
GS 300h 217hp (Sold Outside U.S.)
GS 350 306hp
GS 450h 340hp
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I'm hearing the year 2038....give or take a couple years....
I just busted up with your 2038 engine update...I so can't wait...
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If the company has enough fuel efficient cars then it won't matter as long as collectively they match fuel economy mandates.

Some sort of super CT ought to do the trick
lexus doesn't have to bother much with CAFE at all actually, because their 'numbers' come under the toyota umbrella anyway. but they will not so much because of the u.s., but because of other parts of the world, particularly those with drastic taxes on engines above 2L or >4cyl.
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lexus doesn't have to bother much with CAFE at all actually, because their 'numbers' come under the toyota umbrella anyway.

If that's the case, then Lexus is probably also being helped by the high-mileage Scion products, too.
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I like your GS line up. Lexus desperately needs to bring in a GS 200t as a GS entry level model line. Then Lexus can keep the GS 450h ...
not much point in keeping the GS450h except to keep the hybrid story across the range going as it just doesn't sell in big enough numbers. it is a remarkable vehicle though, technologically.
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lexus doesn't have to bother much with CAFE at all actually, because their 'numbers' come under the toyota umbrella anyway. but they will not so much because of the u.s., but because of other parts of the world, particularly those with drastic taxes on engines above 2L or >4cyl.
Good point. Oh and things like the past IS200d, RX270 etc..
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not much point in keeping the GS450h except to keep the hybrid story across the range going as it just doesn't sell in big enough numbers. it is a remarkable vehicle though, technologically.
Well, it is big world out there... GS450h is about 20% of total GS sales worldwide :-).
It is actually more successful than V8 version ever was.
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well, this is already happening though :-).

Toyota said that will update 14 engine families with this new tech which was outlined in their April 2014 presentation... Of course, the biggest change will be VVT-iW that brings Otto/Atkinson change when ECU decides (it is electric motor powered VVTi system). Plus new D4S, higher compression and all other changes.

They consider these engines all new and it is next generation to go into 2020's.

Any future turbo V6 will be based on these engines as basis.
I assumed that is exactly what was happening. I am very excited to learn more about the specs/updates to this engine...I think it's going to be easily best in class.

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i wouldnt be too sure that it wont be best balance of both for the class though... i am not sure anyone else can deliver same real life mpg, we will see in the tests.
I think that NX is going to be very competitive, and I will of course wait for comparison tests and real-world owners to report their MPG, but so far, Lexus created huge hype about class leading power and MPG... and what we got was average power and MPG in the top 75% of it's class. The reality is that marketing and the numbers on the window sticker are what sells cars - not real world reports of MPG from people on forums or magazine tests, necessarily. Lexus is either underrating MPG in some applications or needs to be more realistic with reporting their MPG to the EPA (for better or for worse).

For example, I now have 25k miles on my Rav4. Window sticker says 21/29/25 MPG. In my experience, that has been more like 22/32/24, and I drive very aggressively. For me to drive that car the way I do, and average ~24.2 MPG, is pretty crazy. I am very happy with the MPG, but I honestly think Toyota is doing themselves a disservice by not bumping up the EPA ratings by 1-2 MPG.
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