environmentalists/politicians have ruined cars and aren't finished yet...
#91
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Modern diesel engineering, common-rail technology, low-sulfur fuel, and urea-solutions have gone a long way towards making diesels almost as clean as a typical gas engine today. The main thing working against today's diesels is human refusal to forget the junk automotive diesels of 30 years ago. Fortunately, that group does not seem to include most of us in CAR CHAT.
Low-sulfur fuels have almost ZERO lubricating properties compared to the original fuels used. It's caused issues on older trucks that were designed to run on regular old diesel fuel. Pump wear, leaky hoses, etc. But even the newer trucks designed to run on it are having issues(partly due to Bosch's incompetence). I'm sure truck owners stuck with a $10,000 HPFP replacement can at least take solace in the fact that their clean fuels are saving mother earth.
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more links needed, huh?
Former Electric-car Engineer: Electric Cars Pollute More Than Gas
lesscars.org - old site, but classic delusion
why bad environmentalism is such an easy sell
why buy green cars?
2014 greenest cars
hint - they're all small, ugly, slow, and/or boring.
paris bans half the cars on some days
next up - hope you don't like steaks and burgers...
Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars
Former Electric-car Engineer: Electric Cars Pollute More Than Gas
Is the only “green” aspect of electric cars the money some companies make off them? If former plug-in advocate and General Motors engineer Ozzie Zehner (shown) is correct, this is exactly the case. Author of the book Green Illusions, Zehner once built his own hybrid car that could run on electricity or natural gas. And, he writes in a recent article entitled “Unclean at Any Speed,” he was convinced cars such as his “would help reduce both pollution and fossil-fuel dependence.”
But he now says, “I was wrong.”
Electric cars certainly are de rigueur among righteous environmentalists. They receive first-son status, with nations and states offering tax incentives for buying them, special driving and parking privileges (use of HOV lanes and VIP spots), as well as other benefits. But their supposed benefit to the environment is illusory, says Zehner — and that the electricity powering them is generally made in pollution producing power plants is just the tip of the iceberg.
But he now says, “I was wrong.”
Electric cars certainly are de rigueur among righteous environmentalists. They receive first-son status, with nations and states offering tax incentives for buying them, special driving and parking privileges (use of HOV lanes and VIP spots), as well as other benefits. But their supposed benefit to the environment is illusory, says Zehner — and that the electricity powering them is generally made in pollution producing power plants is just the tip of the iceberg.
lesscars.org - old site, but classic delusion
why bad environmentalism is such an easy sell
why buy green cars?
Today's automobiles—this website's general term for cars, pickup trucks, station wagons, minivans, sport utilities, and other personal motor vehicles—are made much cleaner than those of a generation ago. Nevertheless, they remain among the largest causes of environmental damage.
hint - they're all small, ugly, slow, and/or boring.
paris bans half the cars on some days
on March 17 half the cars in the city were not allowed to hit the streets, lest their owner be hit with a €22 fine. Exceptions were granted for hybrid and electric cars, taxis, and vehicles with at least three people in them. The previous Friday, the Paris Air Quality index found that pollution levels in the city were just as bad as Beijing, one of the most polluted cities in the world. By instituting an alternating pattern of driving days according to odd or even numbered license plates, the government said that this was one way they could bring the pollution level down. They hadn’t instituted this kind of restriction since 1997.
Progressive Americans look to European cities as a model for mass transit and urban planning, but this latest development and record pollution levels tell a slightly different story. If the worst excesses of a car-centric culture are happening in public transit-friendly Europe, are we all doomed to a smog-ridden existence
Progressive Americans look to European cities as a model for mass transit and urban planning, but this latest development and record pollution levels tell a slightly different story. If the worst excesses of a car-centric culture are happening in public transit-friendly Europe, are we all doomed to a smog-ridden existence
next up - hope you don't like steaks and burgers...
Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars
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The O,P nor anyone supporting his position has evidence pointing that cars are worse and dying. If you do not like forced induction that is a personal preference, the facts are the cars get more power and better MPG. If you don't like manuals dying out that is fine but don't blame enviornmentalists as the main cause for it
I posted a link showing TODAY we have MORE 500 HORSEPOWER CARS ever in HISTORY. So how can this mean that environmentalists have killed the car? There isn't a rebuttal for it at all. The crazy thing is those cars get better MPG than ever before. If anything Environmentalists should be pissed that we have more 500 hp cars in history.
Again if the same group of guys want to blame the, government, environmentalists, Jimmy Carter, Lincoln, Cher, low fat milk, Elton John etc that is one thing. To sit here and completely blame them for the death of the car is not only greatly exaggerated and fear mongering but simply incorrect.
Contrarily if we had it your way, with no regulation, cars wouldn't even have seat belts, they would be all OHV V-8s getting 150hp and 12 MPG . Not to mention people building cars would get paid 50 cents a day, working 18 hour days with no benefits starting at the age of 6. Teddy Roosevelt saw through this.
There is a reason sometimes why the government has to step in.
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more links needed, huh?
Former Electric-car Engineer: Electric Cars Pollute More Than Gas
lesscars.org - old site, but classic delusion
why bad environmentalism is such an easy sell
why buy green cars?
2014 greenest cars
hint - they're all small, ugly, slow, and/or boring.
paris bans half the cars on some days
next up - hope you don't like steaks and burgers...
Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars
Former Electric-car Engineer: Electric Cars Pollute More Than Gas
lesscars.org - old site, but classic delusion
why bad environmentalism is such an easy sell
why buy green cars?
2014 greenest cars
hint - they're all small, ugly, slow, and/or boring.
paris bans half the cars on some days
next up - hope you don't like steaks and burgers...
Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars
1. Safer
2. More efficient
3. With more Power
4. With prices flat
5. With car companies making record profits
6. With emissions down
If you and others are that upset that the government stepped in to make cars better, that is really sad. The Government is not all bad, sometimes they do good. This is a good case of it.
Lets look at the 2006 Ford Explorer which you own.
2006 model makes around 290hp from a V-8 making about 16 MPG
2014 model makes around 365hp from a turbo V-6 making about 19 MPG
There is no doubt that the 2014 is larger, safer, faster with more tech for around the same price adjusted for inflation. If you are that upset there is no V-8 Explorer offered and you have to have a V-8 well they still sell the V-8 only Expedition.
So how on earth did environmentalists kill here?
Someone just bumped the Civic Type R thread...see what Autoblog says
With a name like Earth Dreams, you'd be forgiven for assuming that Honda's new family of turbocharged VTEC engines is more about environmental credentials than performance. And to a large degree they are – particularly in 1.0- and 1.5-liter forms. But the 2.0 is another beast altogether.
Thanks to a high-output turbocharger, direct injection, a high-performance cooling system and, of course, variable valve timing, Honda's new 2.0-liter four produces upwards of 280 horsepower while still complying with upcoming Euro 6 emissions standards. Although actual output has yet to be confirmed, that preliminary figure already compares favorably with the Ford Focus ST (252 hp) and Mazdaspeed3 (274 hp) and rests comfortably in between the Volkswagen GTI (217 hp) and Golf R (296 hp).
Thanks to a high-output turbocharger, direct injection, a high-performance cooling system and, of course, variable valve timing, Honda's new 2.0-liter four produces upwards of 280 horsepower while still complying with upcoming Euro 6 emissions standards. Although actual output has yet to be confirmed, that preliminary figure already compares favorably with the Ford Focus ST (252 hp) and Mazdaspeed3 (274 hp) and rests comfortably in between the Volkswagen GTI (217 hp) and Golf R (296 hp).
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If you and others are that upset that the government stepped in to make cars better, that is really sad.
again you dismiss all those links and others which make it clear that passionate environmentalists believe cars are EVIL, and they are lobbying politicians to pass legislation that restrict the use and type of vehicles, and drastically tax any viewed as more undesirable than others.
YOU just got a V8 LS sedan. would you have preferred it had a turbo v6? don't think so. what if lexus ends up dropping the v8 because of pressure, cost, regulations, etc. they probably won't because unlike mb/bmw, they can leverage the sales of their other huge mothership brand's CAFE ratings.
The Government is not all bad, sometimes they do good. This is a good case of it.
fortunately, car companies, dealers, etc. have lobbyists too, and deep pockets to counteract a lot of the goals of radical environmentalists.
and i'm sure environmentalists wouldn't approve of the fleet of vehicles in your sig.
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I'm sorry but cars are not ruined, no one has ruined them. Cars are vastly better today. If you are that mad that the government helped improve cars, I'm sorry.
Not sure how on earth you could even bring up the LS comparison when I stated long ago how the current S-class, S8, 7 series offer V-8s that are more powerful and more fuel efficient. I've already hinted that the next generation of Lexus V-6s and V-8s will have forced induction. You completely ignore this to make a hypothetical statement up that simply is not reality.
At this point it is time to agree to disagree. Consumers and myself will sadly have to deal with all these ruined cars.
lol
Not sure how on earth you could even bring up the LS comparison when I stated long ago how the current S-class, S8, 7 series offer V-8s that are more powerful and more fuel efficient. I've already hinted that the next generation of Lexus V-6s and V-8s will have forced induction. You completely ignore this to make a hypothetical statement up that simply is not reality.
At this point it is time to agree to disagree. Consumers and myself will sadly have to deal with all these ruined cars.
lol
#99
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You have already twice misquoted me in this thread, and you continue to do so in your latest post. Misquoting and misrepresenting others is a cheap way of avoiding meaningful discussion - it's too bad you feel the need to do so to try to make a point.
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OK guys, think both sides have had enough to say on this topic and don't seem to be finding any middle ground.
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