Infiniti plans new Flagship sedan
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It's good to hear that they have these aspirations. Hopefully they bring out something more relevant than the last Q sedan. They seem to mirror Acura in their problems with the RL/RLX. If they had just been sales failures but with a great product would have been one thing. But both seem to pull their punches and release very mediocre products, no where near in the field as the LS, S, 7 or A8. Hopefully this time they get it right.
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At first glance, I am excited to read this and very intrigued about the return of a flagship Q.
However, I look at Infiniti's current lineup and realize that a lot of work needs to be done to build up to demand and cache for something like a flagship sedan.
- The EX and FX need to be completely rethought, re-engineered and reintroduced. The EX has less interior space than a G and is impossible for any more than two people. The FX is just butt ugly and lost the edge that the last generation had.
However, I look at Infiniti's current lineup and realize that a lot of work needs to be done to build up to demand and cache for something like a flagship sedan.
- The EX and FX need to be completely rethought, re-engineered and reintroduced. The EX has less interior space than a G and is impossible for any more than two people. The FX is just butt ugly and lost the edge that the last generation had.
- The Q50 and Q70 need a new V6. The old engine is...old, and still not particularly efficient. Also, it's not as refined as some rivals.
- They need to work on a small car under the Q50.
- Q70 is in sad shape and needs a heavy refresh and, as mentioned above, new engines.
- Hybrids
- They need to work on a small car under the Q50.
- Q70 is in sad shape and needs a heavy refresh and, as mentioned above, new engines.
- Hybrids
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A routine is the GS, which has been sold as the GS since 1993.
The new name change won't help at all, look at the confusion in this thread alone. And selling them as Mitsubhisi's ain't helping either
The fact of the mattter is they haven't learned from the Q45 since the current model lost every ounce of momentum that previous gen had which was well recieved. Where is a facelift?
I just don't see how a flagship that costs more than the M is going to work if they can't sell the M now.
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Lexus could use more competition from the homeland and Infiniti is really the only ones who can push them. The only model they have that i would currently buy would be the coupe. Other than that, nothing else appeals to me. I wish they can stick with their current naming set up because the "Q" this and "Q" that is not where its at. Smh.
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The fact of the mattter is they haven't learned from the Q45 since the current model lost every ounce of momentum that previous gen had which was well recieved. Where is a facelift?
I just don't see how a flagship that costs more than the M is going to work if they can't sell the M now.
I just don't see how a flagship that costs more than the M is going to work if they can't sell the M now.
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You should respect your experts and not argue with them
If we take Audi for example, they had history/heritage and the A4 always did well here but they got it together with huge product expansion, the R8 and killer advertising. I am assuming their CEo from Audi is going to try the same thing but I think its going to be a very tough road. It wasn't too long ago they told us how they were going to explode in Europe and sales have been nonexistent.
Quite frankly its not just them, I think Lexus is being hurt bad by Infniit/Acura's issues. Japanese luxury is not as admirable or as engaging as before. Audi has completely tilted the scales to the Germans with Porsche now with SUVs and Sedans.
To me and many of us, JUST DO IT, don't say it. Audi didn't really talk much, they just did.
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As soon as I drove it I knew it was going to be an issue, the price raised substantially, the car drove iffy and looks were also iffy. Interior was a clear step up. Then to make things worse infiniti did a terrible, just terrible job with advertising. Instead of talking about 420hp they talked about blind spot monitoring. They spent tons of money advertising the M35h vs a GS on the way out in its last model year and the car has sold very poorly.
But I feel Infiniti is a redesign away from making the M/Q70 a sales success again. The first generation was also a flop due to its controversial styling. As soon as the 2006 debuted, it was a success. They never should have revolutionized the styling of that car. It should have evolved but kept its good looks. It didn't and now they have paid the price for it.
Oh, but I do respect the experts. But only those who can actually get their facts straight
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The M or I guess Q70 was developed before Infiniti's brand revamp. But indeed it's been a failure. The Q50 is intended to set the brand's direction going forward and if it's any indication, I'm excited to see what they come out with. Their (very ugly) QX56 is the second best selling large luxury SUV so I don't think Infiniti will have a problem selling flagship level sedan assuming that people like it (a lot of people weirdly enough likes the QX). Hopefully the new flagship will be liked by people AND attractive like the Q50.
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What's also funny is you claimed the current generation Acura TL was going to be a flop (you were wrong) and 5 years later, it's still selling very well. Not as well as the previous generation, but it's certainly no sales flop (especially given its substantial price increase over the previous generation).
This is now the funniest thing I've seen. Saying the TL is a sales success.
Here ,let me help you read
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review
Of the projected annual TL volume of 70,000 units, Acura only predicts five percent—or 3500—will be the TL SH-AWD with the manual transmission.
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You are making this way to easy. Everyone with 1/2 a brain knows the TL has been a sales disaster. Acura targeted 70,000 units a year, they sell under 35,000 each year, HALF the sales goal. They rushed a MMC to fix the beak and it didn't help.
This is now the funniest thing I've seen. Saying the TL is a sales success.
This is now the funniest thing I've seen. Saying the TL is a sales success.
Wow, you really don't know what a flop is, do you?
Let me explain:
The RL was a flop
The ZDX was a flop
The HS was a flop
The TL is not a flop and it is absolutely ludicrous for you to spread such misinformation that is just completely false.
The TL, 5 years after its redesign, just sold 3,000 units in the month of April. This is not the 30k-32k car it was in 2004, 2005, 2006. The significant price increase between the two generations is one of the primary reasons it hasn't sold as well as the previous generation. The TSX filled in the price gap of the previous generation TL and offered many of the same features that were offered on the previous generation TL, which ate into TL sales as well. But the current generation TL is not at all, "a sales disaster". You are simply incorrect.
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A sales disaster?
Wow, you really don't know what a flop is, do you?
Let me explain:
The RL was a flop
The ZDX was a flop
The HS was a flop
The TL is not a flop and it is absolutely ludicrous for you to spread such misinformation that is just completely false.
The TL, 5 years after its redesign, just sold 3,000 units in the month of April. This is not the 30k-32k car it was in 2004, 2005, 2006. The significant price increase between the two generations is one of the primary reasons it hasn't sold as well as the previous generation. The TSX filled in the price gap of the previous generation TL and offered many of the same features that were offered on the previous generation TL, which ate into TL sales as well. But the current generation TL is not at all, "a sales disaster". You are simply incorrect.
Wow, you really don't know what a flop is, do you?
Let me explain:
The RL was a flop
The ZDX was a flop
The HS was a flop
The TL is not a flop and it is absolutely ludicrous for you to spread such misinformation that is just completely false.
The TL, 5 years after its redesign, just sold 3,000 units in the month of April. This is not the 30k-32k car it was in 2004, 2005, 2006. The significant price increase between the two generations is one of the primary reasons it hasn't sold as well as the previous generation. The TSX filled in the price gap of the previous generation TL and offered many of the same features that were offered on the previous generation TL, which ate into TL sales as well. But the current generation TL is not at all, "a sales disaster". You are simply incorrect.
Folks, you can't make this stuff up.
Sens4miles is the only person on the planet somehow defending that the 4th gen TL hasn't been a sales disaster. Nope, your volume car that now sells worse than your more expensive SUV is somehow not a flop. Acura states they want to sell 70k, they sell less than 35k, Sens4miles says sales are doing great!!!
This is gold!
http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/futur...-2012-acura-tl
But Acura dealers might suggest calling it a styling disaster. The TL sedan is Acura's best-selling vehicle, yet sales are less than half of what they were only four years ago. These spy images prove Acura heard the criticism and is scaling back the size of the controversial styling feature.
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Again, cars such as the HS were a sales disaster (what were Lexus' sales targets again for the HS? )
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So they were way off target, ok. That doesn't mean it's a sales flop. It simply means it didn't sell as well as Acura had intended/anticipated. But it has still sold well against its competitors.
And I think you're the only person on the planet that considers the 4th generation TL a "sales disaster". Post a link to any reputable article that shows anyone else on the planet with such an overly dramatic point of view as calling the TL a "sales disaster"
Again, cars such as the HS were a sales disaster (what were Lexus' sales targets again for the HS? )
And I think you're the only person on the planet that considers the 4th generation TL a "sales disaster". Post a link to any reputable article that shows anyone else on the planet with such an overly dramatic point of view as calling the TL a "sales disaster"
Again, cars such as the HS were a sales disaster (what were Lexus' sales targets again for the HS? )
Maybe you are not old enough to work but in business when your volume selling product becomes a product outsold by your other products after its re-design, that usually means people get fired, heads roll and it is a disaster. If Trump redesigns his condos and his occupancy goes from 90% to 45% that is a disaster. If Delta changes its planes and ridership goes from 100k to 50k, that is a disaster.