Next Lincoln Navigator to drop V8 in favor of V6, but Ford Expedition might get both
#31
Lexus Fanatic
Not bad at all. I like the new Navigator's styling, inside and out....though the downgrading of the engine from a proper (for this class) big V8 to a turbo V6 was probably a mistake. But I at least partly blame the government for that.....they are forcing big changes in underhood powerplants for a lot of vehicles with the new CAFE laws.
Still, they did a nice job with the body and interior. It has nice squared-off styling (which helps with the interior space efficiency), and a classic Lincoln look to the interior. And the horizontal grille, IMO, has a better look to it than the awkward, Smiley-Teenager-Showing-Off-His-New-Braces grilles typical of other Lincoln products.
Of course, I'm basing my initial impression on just these pictures. I'll be at the D.C. auto show tomorrow, and hope to see it in person there, and if possible, sit in one and examine it. Still, even though it is a large SUV instead of a sedan, this may just be the new TRUE Lincoln flagship...(hear that, former Town Car owners?). The MKS was a joke from Day One, and, IMO, still is.
Still, they did a nice job with the body and interior. It has nice squared-off styling (which helps with the interior space efficiency), and a classic Lincoln look to the interior. And the horizontal grille, IMO, has a better look to it than the awkward, Smiley-Teenager-Showing-Off-His-New-Braces grilles typical of other Lincoln products.
Of course, I'm basing my initial impression on just these pictures. I'll be at the D.C. auto show tomorrow, and hope to see it in person there, and if possible, sit in one and examine it. Still, even though it is a large SUV instead of a sedan, this may just be the new TRUE Lincoln flagship...(hear that, former Town Car owners?). The MKS was a joke from Day One, and, IMO, still is.
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#32
Lexus Test Driver
Yeah, I was very apprehensive when I saw the tarp picture.
With the reveal, it actually doesn't look too bad. The grill looks better in context with the rest of the SUV, but I do wish they hadn't wrapped the taillights around. Let's be honest, Lincoln's put worse grills on cars.
Now....hurry up and put a supercharged 5.0 in this thing (Although I'm starting to say this about all Dearborn products )
With the reveal, it actually doesn't look too bad. The grill looks better in context with the rest of the SUV, but I do wish they hadn't wrapped the taillights around. Let's be honest, Lincoln's put worse grills on cars.
Now....hurry up and put a supercharged 5.0 in this thing (Although I'm starting to say this about all Dearborn products )
#33
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I'm really lost how Caddy has had two maybe three generations of an all new Escalade while this thing keeps getting face-lifts like its selling well. Its obvious people want these big SUVs and Lincoln CREATED the segment and is lagging.
I can only assume they are happy with profits since its based on an old platform and that selling a few hundred a month makes sense. Contrarily Caddy sells a couple thousand of an old Escalade a month.
I can only assume they are happy with profits since its based on an old platform and that selling a few hundred a month makes sense. Contrarily Caddy sells a couple thousand of an old Escalade a month.
#40
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I'm really lost how Caddy has had two maybe three generations of an all new Escalade while this thing keeps getting face-lifts like its selling well. Its obvious people want these big SUVs and Lincoln CREATED the segment and is lagging.
I can only assume they are happy with profits since its based on an old platform and that selling a few hundred a month makes sense. Contrarily Caddy sells a couple thousand of an old Escalade a month.
I can only assume they are happy with profits since its based on an old platform and that selling a few hundred a month makes sense. Contrarily Caddy sells a couple thousand of an old Escalade a month.
As I said in my post above, this facelift was supposed to be released back in 2011 and a new gen was supposed to have arrived by now. Ford canceled the facelift and delayed the redesign due to finances; it is now releasing it because the new GM trio is here. The new one that's slated to come out in early 2017 will be an aluminum affair.
See above.
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#41
I'm a bit confused by your statement. The Navigator has gone through 3 generations just like the Escalade- the 3rd gen was launched in 2007, same time as the Escalade. Unfortunately, despite the independent rear suspension and fold flat third row seats, it's powertrain, handling, and interior were far behind that of the Escalade. The Navigator has been soldiering on with that 5.4L V8 since 2003. You'll notice the Escalade never received a facelift from 2007-2013, so the Navigator wasn't the only one being stagnant- it was just that much better than the Navigator.
As I said in my post above, this facelift was supposed to be released back in 2011 and a new gen was supposed to have arrived by now. Ford's canceled the facelift and delayed the redesign due to finances; it is now releasing it because the new GM trio is here. The new one that's slated to come out in early 2017 with be an aluminum affair.
As I said in my post above, this facelift was supposed to be released back in 2011 and a new gen was supposed to have arrived by now. Ford's canceled the facelift and delayed the redesign due to finances; it is now releasing it because the new GM trio is here. The new one that's slated to come out in early 2017 with be an aluminum affair.
#43
Lead Lap
The hardpoints and engine were the same though. So not a complete redesign, but forums and such draw a distinction and call them different generations. Point is, they weren't completely stagnant.
#44
Lexus Fanatic
Well, that's just it. You might refer to it as "dated", but others (me included) feel that's what makes it look like a Lincoln....the classic, squared-off styling both inside and out. There is often too much change in the auto industry (especially in styling) just for change's sake and little else. When a vehicle has a nice classic look, an automaker is wise to stick with it (or make only minimal changes)...time, in that case, won't make any difference.
#45
Lead Lap
Well, that's just it. You might refer to it as "dated", but others (me included) feel that's what makes it look like a Lincoln....the classic, squared-off styling both inside and out. There is often too much change in the auto industry (especially in styling) just for change's sake and little else. When a vehicle has a nice classic look, an automaker is wise to stick with it (or make only minimal changes)...time, in that case, won't make any difference.