BMW 320 for America... 180hp I-4, 33k

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01-14-13, 11:25 AM

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This is how you know BMW's (well not just BMW) are getting way to expensive. Smaller engine, less features, and its still 33K. It'll a sell a ton, but I personally do not see the value. Sorry, no thanks.

The BMW marketing machine is a very powerful force.

I am stunned when they saddle us with an X1 or base 3-series that people will pay the kind of money they do for what are cheap cars.

Edit: We already have this car up here and it's $45K...lol.

01-14-13, 11:26 AM

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Poser rejoice!

I am waiting for 320d touring. this is useless.

01-14-13, 11:33 AM

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You can get a well equipped Dodge Charger (or Chrysler 300) for the price of a bare-bones BMW 320i. It's also has RWD, has a nearly 50:50 weight distribution, and achieves almost the same fuel economy despite being faster and far larger.

"Almost same" fuel economy is not even close, it looks hideous and makes me want to vomit whenever I see one (the 300), I prefer smaller and more nimble cars, and I doubt the 300 will drive nearly as well or be as engaging to drive as the 3ers can be. If I really wanted a Charger or 300 I'd go straight to the HEMI V8 or SRT models.

01-14-13, 11:48 AM

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180hp for 33k? Read that out loud. I didn't say anything about how it drives or its attributes. That's simply overpriced for the consumer, which is why I brought up the pathetic ILX.

It doesn't matter how well it drives or what it has, if you have to pay 33k (and witth TTL), that's overpriced. The current 3 series is overpriced as it is.

Its over priced to people that like to complain on the internet. It will sell well. Value is interpreted differently. Some people see value as a car with NAV standard in a larger size and don't value RWD, image, leather, etc etc. Some people value image, RWD, a styling interior, ability to modify.

That is why cars are different at the same price point, people's values are different. BMW clearly knows what they are doing and with the 328 and 335 going up in price, this is another option for them to get customers in the door.

01-14-13, 12:02 PM

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I'd rather have this base spec 3er than a fully loaded Honda Accord.

really? these base 3 series have pretty poor interiors... Accord is nice.

01-14-13, 12:04 PM

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DAMN. Was hoping for a diesel announcement!

I really really want a 335d. There's been rumors of either a 320d or a 335d. This isn't exactly what I was expecting. I also don't understand why they really need this 320i. It gets practically the same mileage as the 328i. A 320d or 335d would easily be a fuel mileage leader and turn heads. Maybe that's still coming?

For a long time Euro mags have speculated that car makers subsidize cost of diesel engines, so they are not bringing them probably because they would be too expensive to sell profitably.

01-14-13, 12:10 PM

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really? these base 3 series have pretty poor interiors... Accord is nice.

I had a 3rd gen RAV4 as you know, so obviously I'm not a stickler for interior quality. There are some trim styles on the new F30 that are godawful that I'd be sure to avoid when I checked them out in person (BMW Team USA drive event), but otherwise it's good enough for me.

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For a long time Euro mags have speculated that car makers subsidize cost of diesel engines, so they are not bringing them probably because they would be too expensive to sell profitably.

New generation 2.0L and 3.0L BMW diesels have already been confirmed for the U.S. The only things that aren't known are which models and when, along with final specs on the engines.

01-14-13, 12:12 PM

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19/31 MPG from a full-sized vehicle with 292 horsepower versus 23/33 MPG from a compact vehicle with 180 horsepower. The later doesn't seem as impressive.

01-14-13, 12:12 PM

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really? these base 3 series have pretty poor interiors... Accord is nice.

Agreed.

I've always said that I would buy a fully loaded Camry/Accord over a base, entry level BMW as you simply get much more car for your dollar.

01-14-13, 12:15 PM

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This is another reason why they sell so many and I wish Lexus would also join in. Many people don't care about power, they want a nice luxury car and maybe its their gateway to a nice entry level luxury car.

Isn't that what the IS250 is?

At any rate, this has the same N20 engine as the 328i. With ROM flash, this car could become teh tuner's dream.

01-14-13, 12:16 PM

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Defiantly not any value. This is just a car people will by for the badge name. Just buy a used one LOL.

01-14-13, 12:29 PM

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19/31 MPG from a full-sized vehicle with 292 horsepower versus 23/33 MPG from a compact vehicle with 180 horsepower. The later doesn't seem as impressive.

Have you been in an F30? It's not a compact vehicle by any means.

With over 100hp more, the Charger V6 only did a 0-60 in 6.7s (C&D), hardly beating out this lowly 180hp Bimmer. That doesn't seem too impressive either.