2013 Cadillac XTS priced from $44,995*
#31
Lexus Test Driver
As America ages and the old guard of the 70's and 80's die off, there will be less buying public who rationalizes and supports old American iron like retro Cadillacs and Lincolns. For Cadillac to continue chasing such a sect is a waste of resources. As originally promised by GM (more lies to the public), the XTS should have been a sporty alternative to the BMW 7 and Mercedes S, securing their spot as a longterm contender and contributing to the bottom line.
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#32
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As America ages and the old guard of the 70's and 80's die off, there will be less buying public who rationalizes and supports old American iron like retro Cadillacs and Lincolns. For Cadillac to continue chasing such a sect is a waste of resources. As originally promised by GM (more lies to the public), the XTS should have been a sporty alternative to the BMW 7 and Mercedes S, securing their spot as a longterm contender and contributing to the bottom line.
#34
I rented a Town Car for a week a couple of years ago. What a miserable excuse for a car. Good riddance. I'm sure the XTS will be much better. For that matter, I think the Impala will be much better, too. And it's a very attractive car. Should sell very well.
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#35
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For cars like the Fleetwood, town Car etc., their time has come and gone. It happens with every geeneration of car. New technology, consumer preferences and other general improvments are what keeps the car business going.
I have a warm spot for older cars but don't want to drive one everyday on the expressway or in bumper to bumper traffic. Fortuntely those of us who like the old rides can enjoy them through collectors, restorers and at cruise ins.
I have a warm spot for older cars but don't want to drive one everyday on the expressway or in bumper to bumper traffic. Fortuntely those of us who like the old rides can enjoy them through collectors, restorers and at cruise ins.
#36
Lexus Test Driver
Based on styling alone, this new XTS is just a new twist on a long line of poor selling full-sized Cadillacs and Lincolns. Not enough is changed here. It still has stodgy and retro styling- none of which leads to longterm sales or capturing the aging baby boomers. The game changed back in the 90's when Lexus introduced cars like the ES and LS. Suddenly the executive or retiree could have a modern piece of technology that still rode smoothly and had good storage space. That was the beginning of the end for the big American iron.
I wish Caddy luck, it's going to need it.
I wish Caddy luck, it's going to need it.
i know its unpopular here since alot of you seem to defend this car, but i dont see its purpose or who will buy it. I think this part of the market is dead and cadillac is beating a dead horse
#37
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10,000 a DAY retire in America. there's plenty of people coming into the market.
#38
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my old folks (grandparents) have a lincoln MKZ and a toyota avalon and they love them. They are the perfect demographic for this vehicle. I asked my grandfather what he thought of the DTS since they shopped cadillac when looking for grandma's MKZ (grandpa has 2010 avalon and 1999 4Runner) and he penned it as a "obnoxious boat your grandmother couldn't judge the distance of
I guess it all comes down to personal choice. Alot of Floridians will love this car im sure.
I guess it all comes down to personal choice. Alot of Floridians will love this car im sure.
#39
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xts:
Wheelbase: 111.7 inches
Length: 202 inches
Width: 72.9 inches
Height: 59.1 inches
Curb weight: 3,995 lbs
Horsepower: 300
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...illac-xts3.htm
Wheelbase: 111.7 inches
Length: 202 inches
Width: 72.9 inches
Height: 59.1 inches
Curb weight: 3,995 lbs
Horsepower: 300
http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...illac-xts3.htm
Azera:
Wheelbase: 112-inches
Length: 193.3 inches
Width: 73.2 inches
#40
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Agreed. What people don't realized is that this going to be, extremely soon, the largest age group in our population. AARP is already one of the most powerful lobby groups in Congress. The ES is very nice but where to go if you want something bigger? The LS is a huge price jump and other cars at that price point might be a bit much for fixed income. And if you've been a Caddy fan, you might want to give this a try.
#41
As one of the older generation (72) I thought I would throw in my 2 cents worth on what us old folks want in a car. I'm obviously writing this from my death bed so please forgive any typing errors.
I have in the past had lots of sporty and high performance cars but am no longer willing to put up with a rough ride and road noise to have that performance. My current ride is an LS460 which fits my desires very well. It is faster than most of the "muscle cars" I had in the past and is still quiet and smooth. I traded my 2010 RX350 on the LS to get the quieter ride. I was lucky in my to have made good money while working and had successful investments so I can afford to drive what I want. That doesn't mean I still don't look for value - no use in wasting money.
I had a 2008 ES350 and really liked that car so the new one with the larger back seat may be interesting in the future. The Avalon front styling will probably keep it off my list. The CTS is too small to use as a sedan for 4 adults, so it was not considered. The XTS should fix the room issue but I'm not sold on GM reliability yet. With the V-6 and FWD it is more of an ES competitor than one to compete with the LS (or Genesis).
Give me a luxury car with a smooth quiet ride and reasonable performance and I'm interested. Keep the price low and I might get excitied but that would be bad for my old heart.
Steve
I have in the past had lots of sporty and high performance cars but am no longer willing to put up with a rough ride and road noise to have that performance. My current ride is an LS460 which fits my desires very well. It is faster than most of the "muscle cars" I had in the past and is still quiet and smooth. I traded my 2010 RX350 on the LS to get the quieter ride. I was lucky in my to have made good money while working and had successful investments so I can afford to drive what I want. That doesn't mean I still don't look for value - no use in wasting money.
I had a 2008 ES350 and really liked that car so the new one with the larger back seat may be interesting in the future. The Avalon front styling will probably keep it off my list. The CTS is too small to use as a sedan for 4 adults, so it was not considered. The XTS should fix the room issue but I'm not sold on GM reliability yet. With the V-6 and FWD it is more of an ES competitor than one to compete with the LS (or Genesis).
Give me a luxury car with a smooth quiet ride and reasonable performance and I'm interested. Keep the price low and I might get excitied but that would be bad for my old heart.
Steve
#42
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Steve, thanks for the informative, and funny post!
#43
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The ES is very nice but where to go if you want something bigger? The LS is a huge price jump and other cars at that price point might be a bit much for fixed income.
And if you've been a Caddy fan, you might want to give this a try.
However, I'll keep an open mind on the XTS. I did like the DTS/DeVille's ride, but there were several things I didn't like about the DTS either.....its antiquated engine/transmission combination, boat-like body roll, lack of an AWD option, and so-so GM interior plastics. The XTS, hopefully, will improve on those deficiencies.
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