The future of the HS 250h?
#31
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Govt needs to offer some new hybrid tax credits.
#33
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#34
Anywho, $40k might be worth it for a better performing HS. But to beat a dead horse further, the 2.4L IS OLD!
And there are still state tax credits available. In PA you can get a $500 rebate for buying a hybrid.
#37
Update on this thread:
Gas prices are inching higher which might help HS sales, but the CT also lands here in three months.
With sales of 9,542 YTD through November, it looks like my original prediction of 10-11K in annual volume was spot on. That's half of Lexus' most recent sales goal and only one third of what they predicted originally.
The car debuted in 2009 as a 2010 model so you would think it wouldn't get a refresh until at least 2012, but I wonder if Lexus will do anything before then? Interestingly, the HS has not been updated as a 2011 model on Lexus.com. Also consider that the new IS and ES will be dropping in the next two years, and both may carry hybrid variants.
Gas prices are inching higher which might help HS sales, but the CT also lands here in three months.
With sales of 9,542 YTD through November, it looks like my original prediction of 10-11K in annual volume was spot on. That's half of Lexus' most recent sales goal and only one third of what they predicted originally.
The car debuted in 2009 as a 2010 model so you would think it wouldn't get a refresh until at least 2012, but I wonder if Lexus will do anything before then? Interestingly, the HS has not been updated as a 2011 model on Lexus.com. Also consider that the new IS and ES will be dropping in the next two years, and both may carry hybrid variants.
#38
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#39
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Update on this thread:
Gas prices are inching higher which might help HS sales, but the CT also lands here in three months.
With sales of 9,542 YTD through November, it looks like my original prediction of 10-11K in annual volume was spot on. That's half of Lexus' most recent sales goal and only one third of what they predicted originally.
The car debuted in 2009 as a 2010 model so you would think it wouldn't get a refresh until at least 2012, but I wonder if Lexus will do anything before then? Interestingly, the HS has not been updated as a 2011 model on Lexus.com. Also consider that the new IS and ES will be dropping in the next two years, and both may carry hybrid variants.
Gas prices are inching higher which might help HS sales, but the CT also lands here in three months.
With sales of 9,542 YTD through November, it looks like my original prediction of 10-11K in annual volume was spot on. That's half of Lexus' most recent sales goal and only one third of what they predicted originally.
The car debuted in 2009 as a 2010 model so you would think it wouldn't get a refresh until at least 2012, but I wonder if Lexus will do anything before then? Interestingly, the HS has not been updated as a 2011 model on Lexus.com. Also consider that the new IS and ES will be dropping in the next two years, and both may carry hybrid variants.
Yeah no 2011 model yet. Dealers have ample inventory still of 2010s. We do know they sell every damn one they have in Japan though and this car clearly is a hit there, not here.
With gas creeping back up it might just stay around 10k units a year which ain't great but it means Lexus doesn't depend on the RX for sales like in years past. The added CT should also benefit with higher gas prices.
I couldn't get ANY info on the future of the HS. No MMC info or anything. Since we bought one I didn't want her to have the old model.
Its clear there is a small market for the HS and Lexus forecasters were wrong thinking there was a 20k a year size market. That said 10k cars a year ain't bad to have.
I've noticed the HS ads are not in business mags but in mags like wired and even some ladies mags. Advertising on TV has stopped. I think they did a poor job explaining the car to people.
#41
Nothing for ISF after introduction, HS had lame 15 second spots at launch and nothing since, i've never seen an ad for the RX 450h or LX, GX had it's lame superhero spot.
Much of this year's advertising has focused on the LFA which is great, but something supplemental for the rest of the lineup would have gone a long way. I know that Lexus' traditional philosophy is that the cars should sell themselves, but in this ever crowded, evolving segment, they simply aren't doing enough.
#42
One thing is that when gas hits $4.00 and farther, why buy a $35,000 car to save gas? thats completely wrong. Either you stick with the car you get and suffer or get something decently priced, like a Prius.
#43
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HS is an odd car and I was surprised Lexus sold it as is.
Let's see:
Entry level - not very luxurious
Not very fuel efficient
Not sporty
Not spacious
Not even attractive
They were better off implementing a hybrid system in the ES line. I mean, if you're going to produce a dedicated hybrid, it has to be able to compete with the fuel efficiency of a Prius. With some special luxury add-ons, a great styling package, it would be a good seller. So why does the HS exist?
Let's see:
Entry level - not very luxurious
Not very fuel efficient
Not sporty
Not spacious
Not even attractive
They were better off implementing a hybrid system in the ES line. I mean, if you're going to produce a dedicated hybrid, it has to be able to compete with the fuel efficiency of a Prius. With some special luxury add-ons, a great styling package, it would be a good seller. So why does the HS exist?
#44
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HS is an odd car and I was surprised Lexus sold it as is.
Let's see:
Entry level - not very luxurious
Not very fuel efficient
Not sporty
Not spacious
Not even attractive
They were better off implementing a hybrid system in the ES line. I mean, if you're going to produce a dedicated hybrid, it has to be able to compete with the fuel efficiency of a Prius. With some special luxury add-ons, a great styling package, it would be a good seller. So why does the HS exist?
Let's see:
Entry level - not very luxurious
Not very fuel efficient
Not sporty
Not spacious
Not even attractive
They were better off implementing a hybrid system in the ES line. I mean, if you're going to produce a dedicated hybrid, it has to be able to compete with the fuel efficiency of a Prius. With some special luxury add-ons, a great styling package, it would be a good seller. So why does the HS exist?
More room
Rides so much more quiet and smooth.
Same MPG.
Thousands less expensive.
Both cars are boring to look at.
I would have loved an ES hybrid.
#45
Lexus Fanatic
I don't find the HS to be a bad car but it would sell much better and make more sense if you could get a nicely equipped model for 29K and it maxed out around 32 or 33 for buyers who want a nicer hybrid then a prius but don't want to be spending anywhere close to 40K.
Lexus should not give up on the HS as it could find buyers in a second generation if it was better looking, a little roomier, offered either more power or better fuel economy, interior was nicer, and most importantly if they lower the price.