LexFather

There is a reason for it. Research has shown Hybrid buyers WANT to stand out from the crowd. Thus the Prius/HS shape and the Lexus hybrids getting blue emblems and badges.

Some people might prefer not to stand out. Diesels remember are very old tech so they are simply put in the same cars. Hybrids are new tech and many people want new designs to go in.

IS-SV

IMO, that will change soon enough and the research is probably out of date already. Blue emblems and badges are one thing, frumpy, cheeze wedge shapes, narrow tracks, skinny tired, high roof cars are another.

ffpowerLN

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I don't think that study will be outdated anytime soon...

The new Prius is selling like hot cakes around where I live and I see more and more of them everyday.

DustinV

Where is this research you speak of?


Because that logic doesn't make sense. We can just as well claim that the new Lexus hybrid technology was dropped into the "old (aka "current") body style" GS, LS and [old] RX (remember, their hybrid variants were released after the gasoline engines debuted).

And gasoline engines are also "old technology", too, like diesels.

Only the HS250h applies to this "research" and it was specifically developed to be a hybrid in the first place (while looking like a Euro Toyota Avensis).

IS-SV

No doubt the new Prius is selling very well, which is not the point. But related to your comment, the new Prius is much more attractive than the last ugly 2 gens of Prius, so the trend has already begun.


The market can be expanded via better styling. Lexus is already testing the waters with the new HS. Yes the HS is so-so styling wise, but not nearly as ugly as the first 2 gens of Prius. The only point I was making is that ultra efficient hybrids will eventually be attractive cars too, just like less efficient GS, RX, Camry hybrids already out.

LexFather

I'll post a link but I'm kind of a big deal around here. I have many leather bound books.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/07/25/Auto...brid/index.htm

Toyota: Hybrid drivers want to stand out
Carmaker's study finds that owners want others to know they're driving fuel-efficient cars.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...tag-usat_x.htm

As I stated the Lexus models now have blue emblesm and other badging.

DustinV

I'm not being sarcastic, but those GS, LS and RX designs really don't stand out much to me.

Like most cars in their class, these designs are conservative. They're designed to blend in with the background first and foremost and not turn heads. Naturally design works differently on different people. I doubt a blue hybrid badge will make the car stand out, too.

LexFather

That is your OPINION on their style. That has nothing to do with the the FACT they have hybrid emblems etc to try to stand out. Clearly a Lexus will be more conservative in regards to styling anyway.

DustinV

Nobody here has an outrageous design that screams "look at me" - not even the competition. Playing it safe and conservative and using slow evolutionary design techniques has always been a winning formula in the luxury class.

LexFather

K. Now what on earth that this have to do with this thread? Oh and BMW designs and many new Benz designs and the giant Audi grill screams "hey look at me"

DustinV

They might to you, but the overall effect of the design is still clearly weighted on being conservative.

LexFather

Again YOUR opinion, which you are entitled to. The FACTS show BMW, Benz, Audi were seen as too conservative, thus they got Bangled in BMWs case, Benz went SUVish with the wheel arches and Audi went big grill to get attention.

You simply cannot compare the German cars of the 1990s and today and say they are still conservative. Most have finally gotten some style. Outside of Audi, they ditched the 1 style, 3 size approach.

I digress though, this thread is supposed to be about this pretty cool BMW diesel.

DustinV

The style changes, yes, but the overall effect is still conservative. I look at the new E class and I see a nice-looking car that is handsome, elegant and sporty but the design doesn't make me go "Wow". It's still conservative.


In my opinion they are still conservatively styled - they just look a bit more "modern" (aka "getting with the times").

Yeah, we can argue about this all day. I'm out of here.

SLegacy99

Yeah, you just described the HS.

bad co

I wouldent say I feel better I would say I feel smug just like the prius driver's.

I found 1sick singing on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5kLtdUErxY

(jk 1sick, your a great guy just thought you might get a laugh)