View Poll Results: Is Buick a luxury brand?
Yes, 100% a legitimate luxury brand
5
8.93%
Its not true luxury, its entry level luxury like Acura, Saab. etc...
33
58.93%
No, its not a luxury brand at all
18
32.14%
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Do you consider Buick a luxury brand? (POLL now added)
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I just saw a La Crosse commercial with my wife and we were starring at the car with our mouths wide open. I am very impressed with the design and the quality of the materials and attention to detail. I love the fact that Lexus will need to stay on its toes
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and they only have 3 models. 1 suv and 2 sedans. and one sedan is old *** tech.... with a huge 3.9L engine putting out a measly 227hp, and a 50 year old 4 speed transmission. only a blind old man would be dumb enough to buy that.
so not luxury. not even close. I would rank them somewhere between Ford and Mercury.
Targeting lexus is good for marketing........ Just as Kia commercials say they outsell Lexus. But that's where the comparisons end.
Enclave could be compared to the RX... especially the previous gen one. But I do agree that they offer nothing remotely comparable to the GS and LS... but that's why I also said they're a "Tier 2.1" brand. Part of their lineup can be compared to part of Lexus' lineup, but that's about it (for now).
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You realize you just described the ES350 aside from replacing the word GM with Toyota, right? It's FWD, based on the Camry ('gussied up Camry'), its base model has cloth seats... so then I guess you have the same problem with the ES that you have with the LaCrosse then, right?
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We're talking about Buick right now, not GM's past... so please tell me what about the LaCrosse or Enclave matches what you just said? The LaCrosse is far more different from any other GM vehicle currently sold than the ES is from the Camry. Lexus has its own history of doing much the same, too - especially with the older ES.
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Who is to say that Lacrosse won't be the new Malibu that is coming in 2011? GM is doing the same crap that they always do.
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I'm sorry, I don't agree. An ES is distinguishable from a Camry. A Catera was a Cavalier, which was also a Sunfire. The G3 is an Aveo. And we've seen the specualted new Impala is the exact same as the G8. News that came out before Pontiac and the G8 were cancelled. And are you joking? The Enclave is a Traverse, which is also an Acadia, which is also an Outlook. THEY ARE THE SAME VEHICLE except the Chevy model has direct injection.
Who is to say that Lacrosse won't be the new Malibu that is coming in 2011? GM is doing the same crap that they always do.
Who is to say that Lacrosse won't be the new Malibu that is coming in 2011? GM is doing the same crap that they always do.
Once again I remind you we are talking about Buick and most specifically the lacrosse. If you are speculating that the new Malibu is going to be significantly more similar to lacrosse than Camry is to the ES then I can't help you... You are basing your only point that even addreses what my original reply was about, on a huge assumption. You are letting your general dislike for Gm convince you that somehow the lacrosse is substandard while the ES is a fine product. Take a step back and leave your predispositions aside.
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Show me where I said that the Lacrosse is a substandard product. I said that GM has made their business for the last 40 years (at least) by taking one design and calling it by 3-4 different names. They are doing this today and I am speculating that they will continue to do this. They have not learned. I can't make my point any clearer.
RE: concept coupe-looks like a G coupe imitation.......we've complained about hyundai ripping other car maker designs.
Seems like buick is doing the same thing yet no one is making a riot. Guess it shows no one is really paying that much attention to buick as compared to hyundai
yep, at least there products are improving
Seems like buick is doing the same thing yet no one is making a riot. Guess it shows no one is really paying that much attention to buick as compared to hyundai
yep, at least there products are improving
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Opps my bad. I see you meant the other "vette"...
I totally agree with you that Buick competes directly with Mercury and does not compete directly with Lexus...so Lexus doesn't have anything to worry about with Buick...
I totally agree with you that Buick competes directly with Mercury and does not compete directly with Lexus...so Lexus doesn't have anything to worry about with Buick...