some good info on brakes upgrade (spec)
10-13-02, 05:10 AM
#1
some good info on brakes upgrade (spec)
well after some research i got some specs on different brakes upgrades, so i figured it would be a good idea to post them up here for people who are interested in future mods on brakes. all these are big brakes upgrade which require you to get aftermarket wheels. most likely you will need to have at least 17" (18" or larger preferred) wheels, high disk, and the correct offset that provides enough wheel clearance. you should always make sure the fitment is correct before you get the upgrades, coz' these upgrades would always cost you.
stock gs brakes
font caliper - 2 pistons, 15lb
front rotor - 11.5" diameter, 18lb
rear rotor - 12" diameter, 12lb
supra tt upgrade (around a bit over $1000)
caliper - 4 pistons, 15lb
rotor - 12.7" diameter, 20lb
brembo GT upgrade (around $2800 to $3000)
caliper - 4 pistons, 7lb
rotor - 13.1"
piston area - 1.5"x2, 1.73"x2
pad area - 9.6"^2
rotor thickness - 1.26"
ap racing upgrade (around $3200 retail, there is a GB now for $2599
)
caliper - 6 pistons, 6lb
rotor - 13.5"
piston area - 1.1"x2, 1.6"x2, 1.5"x2
pad area - 11.8"^2
rotor thickness - 1.4"
stoptech upgrade (around $1800 to $2000)
caliper - 4 pistons (will fit in stock 17" wheel)
rotor - 13.1"
these are all the info i have on my hands now. if you guys have anymore info welcome to add to the list
stock gs brakes
font caliper - 2 pistons, 15lb
front rotor - 11.5" diameter, 18lb
rear rotor - 12" diameter, 12lb
supra tt upgrade (around a bit over $1000)
caliper - 4 pistons, 15lb
rotor - 12.7" diameter, 20lb
brembo GT upgrade (around $2800 to $3000)
caliper - 4 pistons, 7lb
rotor - 13.1"
piston area - 1.5"x2, 1.73"x2
pad area - 9.6"^2
rotor thickness - 1.26"
ap racing upgrade (around $3200 retail, there is a GB now for $2599
)caliper - 6 pistons, 6lb
rotor - 13.5"
piston area - 1.1"x2, 1.6"x2, 1.5"x2
pad area - 11.8"^2
rotor thickness - 1.4"
stoptech upgrade (around $1800 to $2000)
caliper - 4 pistons (will fit in stock 17" wheel)
rotor - 13.1"
these are all the info i have on my hands now. if you guys have anymore info welcome to add to the list
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Chowster (08-08-17)
10-13-02, 05:37 AM
#3
imho every upgrade has their pros and cons. from the list it's clear that the ap racing and brembo have the lightest calipers, and they are lighter than the stock or the supra tt ones by a big margin. the ap racing one is a big lighter, but it has 6 pistons instead of 4 on the brembo.
on rotor size they are pretty much the same. ap racing has the largest disk but now by a lot. it's slight larger and thicker than the brembo.
i kinda believe you get what you pay for. it's pretty safe to say that the ap racing brake upgrades is the best on the list performance-wise, but yes it comes in a high price. with the GB going on you can get them at some killer price (for the brakes) which is like 600 under retail. if you are looking for the best brakes out there ap racing is definitely the one to get. it stops in a dime and it looks awesome (huge caliper)
brembo is definitely the second on the list imho. from what manaray posted these two days (man, he likes to tease), it seems to be some sort of upgrade with brembo calipers and 13" rotors. i guess it would be ready in couple of months and it would be interesting to see how that compares to the brembo upgrade. it seems like his upgrade would have some very good price.
the supra tt upgrade is probably the most economic upgrade out there if you want to get away from the stock 2 pistons setup. it's a direct swap with no modification and it's pretty good. the bad thing is that the caliper is still veyr heavy, 15" compared to 6lb (ap racing) and 7lb (brembo). the rotors is also a bit smaller in diameter.
so what should you get? imho if you have a tight budget and just want a slightly better upgrade from the stock, i believe the supra tt upgrade is a very decent one.
if you have more money and are willing with wait couple of months, it would be interesting to see what manaray has for all of us. it sounds quite promising and could be a very good alternative to the true brembo GT upgrade.
if you need some upgrade soon and / or is looking for the best performance / look, then the ap racing upgrade is definitely the one no brainer. like i said at $2600 ($600 under retail) it's unbeatable for what you get. unless people start to back out there are already 4 people in the GB and we need 5 people. there is a thread in the GB forum.
on rotor size they are pretty much the same. ap racing has the largest disk but now by a lot. it's slight larger and thicker than the brembo.
i kinda believe you get what you pay for. it's pretty safe to say that the ap racing brake upgrades is the best on the list performance-wise, but yes it comes in a high price. with the GB going on you can get them at some killer price (for the brakes) which is like 600 under retail. if you are looking for the best brakes out there ap racing is definitely the one to get. it stops in a dime and it looks awesome (huge caliper)
brembo is definitely the second on the list imho. from what manaray posted these two days (man, he likes to tease), it seems to be some sort of upgrade with brembo calipers and 13" rotors. i guess it would be ready in couple of months and it would be interesting to see how that compares to the brembo upgrade. it seems like his upgrade would have some very good price.
the supra tt upgrade is probably the most economic upgrade out there if you want to get away from the stock 2 pistons setup. it's a direct swap with no modification and it's pretty good. the bad thing is that the caliper is still veyr heavy, 15" compared to 6lb (ap racing) and 7lb (brembo). the rotors is also a bit smaller in diameter.
so what should you get? imho if you have a tight budget and just want a slightly better upgrade from the stock, i believe the supra tt upgrade is a very decent one.
if you have more money and are willing with wait couple of months, it would be interesting to see what manaray has for all of us. it sounds quite promising and could be a very good alternative to the true brembo GT upgrade.
if you need some upgrade soon and / or is looking for the best performance / look, then the ap racing upgrade is definitely the one no brainer. like i said at $2600 ($600 under retail) it's unbeatable for what you get. unless people start to back out there are already 4 people in the GB and we need 5 people. there is a thread in the GB forum.
10-13-02, 08:59 AM
#4
Lexus Fanatic
That's some great info there! Thanks for taking the time to put that together!
AP Racing = King of the Hill.
As stated, work is underway on a very nice Brembo setup. It will be equivalent to the Brembo GT setup but without the nice Brembo box...and without the $2995 Brembo price.
I have posted some information (in a Poll) on both the SC and LS forums. Only because I wanted to gauge their interest. I assume the GS guys would be interested...
AP Racing = King of the Hill.
As stated, work is underway on a very nice Brembo setup. It will be equivalent to the Brembo GT setup but without the nice Brembo box...and without the $2995 Brembo price.
I have posted some information (in a Poll) on both the SC and LS forums. Only because I wanted to gauge their interest. I assume the GS guys would be interested...
10-14-02, 03:46 AM
#5
Wow, 7lbs. and 6lbs. for the AP and Brembos! I wonder how much the rotors that are included with the kits weigh too.
Rominl, that's a nice collection of information you got going there, good job. Now it would be nice if someone could post the stats of the Endless 6piston brake system too. From my understanding, those brakes are some of the best too.
There's more setups out there too, like the TRD monoblock kit (the one on the back of HyperRev no.69).
And wasn't there a groupbuy going on for the Wilwood dynolite setup too?
Rominl, that's a nice collection of information you got going there, good job. Now it would be nice if someone could post the stats of the Endless 6piston brake system too. From my understanding, those brakes are some of the best too.
There's more setups out there too, like the TRD monoblock kit (the one on the back of HyperRev no.69).
And wasn't there a groupbuy going on for the Wilwood dynolite setup too?
10-14-02, 04:31 AM
#6
Originally posted by zenki300
Wow, 7lbs. and 6lbs. for the AP and Brembos! I wonder how much the rotors that are included with the kits weigh too.
Rominl, that's a nice collection of information you got going there, good job. Now it would be nice if someone could post the stats of the Endless 6piston brake system too. From my understanding, those brakes are some of the best too.
There's more setups out there too, like the TRD monoblock kit (the one on the back of HyperRev no.69).
And wasn't there a groupbuy going on for the Wilwood dynolite setup too?
Wow, 7lbs. and 6lbs. for the AP and Brembos! I wonder how much the rotors that are included with the kits weigh too.
Rominl, that's a nice collection of information you got going there, good job. Now it would be nice if someone could post the stats of the Endless 6piston brake system too. From my understanding, those brakes are some of the best too.
There's more setups out there too, like the TRD monoblock kit (the one on the back of HyperRev no.69).
And wasn't there a groupbuy going on for the Wilwood dynolite setup too?
as far as i know velisideGS3 is the only guy in the forum with the endless 6 pistons. the endless site, imho, is quite useless at this point, they don't even have anything to click on, less on any info about the upgrade.
if anyone else has any info, welcome to add to the list
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09-03-04, 09:48 AM
#11
Lexus Fanatic
Originally posted by rominl
wow damn is this old stuff. man, 2 yrs ago...... time flies...... i didn't realize brakes was among the first stuff i put on the car!
wow damn is this old stuff. man, 2 yrs ago...... time flies...... i didn't realize brakes was among the first stuff i put on the car!
09-03-04, 02:05 PM
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Very old thread. I'll see if I can find the StopTech info I posted ages ago. My 14" StopTech rotors and calipers are definitely lighter than stock.
09-03-04, 03:02 PM
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Henry,
(From the wayback machine) Do you know if these weights are with or without pads? Were they done on an accurate scale (what's the source?)? I
The weights I did of my old Supra TT calipers WITH pads and rotors were a bit different. I took them to a tabletop digital scale used for UPS shipments to weigh them. I'm guessing the ones you did were without pads, but for each one of these we should post with / without pads as it makes a significant weight difference.
Supra Rotor 19.65 (drilled / slotted)
Supra TT caliper with pad 16.45
Brembo 355 GT (14 inch setup)
Rotors ( 2 piece drilled only) 17.25 lbs
Brembo caliper 4pot with pad 9.9 lbs
(From the wayback machine) Do you know if these weights are with or without pads? Were they done on an accurate scale (what's the source?)? I
The weights I did of my old Supra TT calipers WITH pads and rotors were a bit different. I took them to a tabletop digital scale used for UPS shipments to weigh them. I'm guessing the ones you did were without pads, but for each one of these we should post with / without pads as it makes a significant weight difference.
Supra Rotor 19.65 (drilled / slotted)
Supra TT caliper with pad 16.45
Brembo 355 GT (14 inch setup)
Rotors ( 2 piece drilled only) 17.25 lbs
Brembo caliper 4pot with pad 9.9 lbs
09-17-04, 01:49 AM
#15
Originally posted by DaveGS4
Henry,
(From the wayback machine) Do you know if these weights are with or without pads? Were they done on an accurate scale (what's the source?)? I
The weights I did of my old Supra TT calipers WITH pads and rotors were a bit different. I took them to a tabletop digital scale used for UPS shipments to weigh them. I'm guessing the ones you did were without pads, but for each one of these we should post with / without pads as it makes a significant weight difference.
Supra Rotor 19.65 (drilled / slotted)
Supra TT caliper with pad 16.45
Brembo 355 GT (14 inch setup)
Rotors ( 2 piece drilled only) 17.25 lbs
Brembo caliper 4pot with pad 9.9 lbs
Henry,
(From the wayback machine) Do you know if these weights are with or without pads? Were they done on an accurate scale (what's the source?)? I
The weights I did of my old Supra TT calipers WITH pads and rotors were a bit different. I took them to a tabletop digital scale used for UPS shipments to weigh them. I'm guessing the ones you did were without pads, but for each one of these we should post with / without pads as it makes a significant weight difference.
Supra Rotor 19.65 (drilled / slotted)
Supra TT caliper with pad 16.45
Brembo 355 GT (14 inch setup)
Rotors ( 2 piece drilled only) 17.25 lbs
Brembo caliper 4pot with pad 9.9 lbs