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Old 05-05-11, 05:18 PM
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Default steering rack bushing change waste of time.

I have my sc400 tor apart front end all in peaces.
so I needed some sway bar bushings, mine are dry as a bone and wor out.
I read about steering rack bushings so i got them as well.
the instructions that came with the bushings says u can tap the old ones out,
my foot. I had to use a 5 buck gear puller and a nut at the tip of it to remove the old ones. the old ones have 190k miles on them. my old bushings look bran new. it was a pain to get them out of the car, i dont think it will make a diff.
its a calif. car my bolts on the upper and lower control arms look like new and came right out. 190k miles and only the right ball joint seems wor out.
I did the shocks/struts and they also were ok except the left rear was leaking.
Old 05-05-11, 05:51 PM
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it is not a waste of time. it is very easy to tell if your rack bushing are shot or not before changing them out.
Old 05-05-11, 07:57 PM
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rack bushing made a huge different in my car. noticeable steering response and eliminates bump steer.
Old 05-05-11, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mtd2198
I have my sc400 tor apart front end all in peaces.
so I needed some sway bar bushings, mine are dry as a bone and wor out.
I read about steering rack bushings so i got them as well.
the instructions that came with the bushings says u can tap the old ones out,
my foot. I had to use a 5 buck gear puller and a nut at the tip of it to remove the old ones. the old ones have 190k miles on them. my old bushings look bran new. it was a pain to get them out of the car, i dont think it will make a diff.
its a calif. car my bolts on the upper and lower control arms look like new and came right out. 190k miles and only the right ball joint seems wor out.
I did the shocks/struts and they also were ok except the left rear was leaking.
Have you owned this car for the entire 190K miles to be able to say for certain that all those bushing were in THAT good of shape after all those miles? It seems pretty darn hard to believe. I would guess they had been changed before and you're just unaware of it.
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it probably has a newer rack in it, alot of times bushings are not sold separate and when you take your car to a shop with steering rack bushing problem you need a new rack. I got my car at 180k miles and when i drove it home when i turned to go around slight bend nothing would happen, then i would turn a little more nothing, then more and all of the suden car would try to switch lanes very dangerously. The bushings were shot.
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I can't wait to get this done. My steering is all over the place.
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Unless they replaced the rack or the previous owner replaced the bushing there is no way the old bushings will look brand new at 190k miles.
my car has 76k miles i bought the bushings to replace them w/o even checking to see if they are worn out but after checking them after recieving the new bushings i decided not to replace them now .

at 120k they are usually gone, just like motor mounts the stock one are usually gone after 100k miles.

Tabaka you actually see the rack moving back and forth when you turn the wheel left and right?
You should see the rack moving around the bushing..
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mine had a replaced rack and i still had issues. when they replace the rack those 2 small round bushings get replaced, mine looked new at 140k (but i know my rack had been replaced). they were a pain to get out, but im glad i did it all because that large rubber clip that goes inside the round part that clamps the rack in place on the passenger side of the rack, was totally shot.
Im thinking they don't replace this when they change the rack, they just reuse. the samller ones are in the rack technically so they will be new, but the 3rd part of the rack bushing kit is not part of the rack (it goes around the rack) and may not get replaced.
If your big rubber clip bushing is shot like mine, it will also allow the entire rack to travel left and right. not good!! if your small bushings look perfect just replace the big clip.
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the car had 145k miles on it when i bought it in 2004.
I was going by carfax for repairs done.
the pre owner was- corporation owned.
it had a new tranny put in at 120k miles.
oh my front wheel bearing's were shot, I bought used hubs from ebay 60.00 with good bearing's. that was a risk they refused to measure runout and deviation.
my old hubs were hard to turn and u can feel ruff spots on the barring. .005 on them
the ebay ones are vary smooth..001 on them, I have not gotten to the rear suspension yet. I think its ok. my new after market upper control arms are nice, the ball joints are vary stiff, the new lower ball joints are not.
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Originally Posted by mtd2198

the car had 145k miles on it when i bought it in 2004.
I was going by carfax for repairs done.
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OK, that makes sense then. Carfax is anything BUT conclusive.
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I have a question for you guys. I don't have any of the steering issues you guys were having on the high way with the steering not responding, but I do notice when I back out of my driveway and turn the wheel, the car will "shimmy" back into place after it it's leveled onto the street. Is this just the tires settling on uneven ground, or are the steering bushings flexing?
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How are the rear bushings on your front LCA's? they can cause that symptom.
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Originally Posted by Tabaka
I can't wait to get this done. My steering is all over the place.
same here, My sc400 has a mind of its own
Old 05-31-11, 09:12 AM
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I pulled mine off my 211k miles car, all looked good but the driverside top 1. Replaced them all and super great steering, that feeling of ambiguity is now gone.
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Took mine out around 160k and they were probably like the op's, they were fine. They weren't torn up or anything like seen in some posted pics on here.


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