Convince me otherwise...
#1
Driver
Thread Starter
Convince me otherwise...
Lately the discussion between my wife and me centers around a bigger vehicle for the future. This means moving towards an SUV, which i am generally against. However...the Cayennes from Porsche in the 2012-2014 era have started to look a bit appealing. Seems like it is a very good balance of space, speed and handling. I am particularly fond of the GTS models.
I am sure I can't expect Lexus like dependability on this front, but does anyone here have thoughts on switching over to the Porsche brand? Or thoughts on why I should just stay with the Lexus guys? I do seem to hear very solid things from Porsche in terms of reliability, which always surprised me given the usual track record of German makes.
I am sure I can't expect Lexus like dependability on this front, but does anyone here have thoughts on switching over to the Porsche brand? Or thoughts on why I should just stay with the Lexus guys? I do seem to hear very solid things from Porsche in terms of reliability, which always surprised me given the usual track record of German makes.
#3
Lexus Fanatic
Lately the discussion between my wife and me centers around a bigger vehicle for the future. This means moving towards an SUV, which i am generally against. However...the Cayennes from Porsche in the 2012-2014 era have started to look a bit appealing. Seems like it is a very good balance of space, speed and handling. I am particularly fond of the GTS models.
I am sure I can't expect Lexus like dependability on this front, but does anyone here have thoughts on switching over to the Porsche brand? Or thoughts on why I should just stay with the Lexus guys? I do seem to hear very solid things from Porsche in terms of reliability, which always surprised me given the usual track record of German makes.
I am sure I can't expect Lexus like dependability on this front, but does anyone here have thoughts on switching over to the Porsche brand? Or thoughts on why I should just stay with the Lexus guys? I do seem to hear very solid things from Porsche in terms of reliability, which always surprised me given the usual track record of German makes.
Why does your wife think you need a bigger vehicle or SUV over a GS? Is it really needed, will you be going off roading? It is only a 5 seater so you can't fit any more people in it then your GS. I think if you are concerned about cost of ownership and possible headaches it may not be a good idea to go with a Cayanne over a GS. A MDX is a 7 seater and will cost much less to buy and own, they get very good fuel economy too.
#4
Lexus Test Driver
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Porsche is a money pit, anything German is a money pit.
Lexus ranks the most reliable brand
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...y-of-surprises
Lexus ranks among some of the least cost of maintenance over 10 years with only Scion and Toyota ahead of it.
https://www.yourmechanic.com/article...y-maddy-martin
Lexus ranks the most reliable brand
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/...y-of-surprises
Lexus ranks among some of the least cost of maintenance over 10 years with only Scion and Toyota ahead of it.
https://www.yourmechanic.com/article...y-maddy-martin
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ECL (05-22-18)
#5
my neighbor owns a 2010 cayenne GTS and it's a lovely vehicle. his wife primarily drives it, and it has almost 130k on the odo.
he tells me he has not spent that much on maintenance other than the normal stuff such as brakes (which are expensive, brembos).
I would imagine the newer gens would be equally reliable.
but nothing beats lexus reliability and low depreciation!
why not look into a GX or an LX?!
he tells me he has not spent that much on maintenance other than the normal stuff such as brakes (which are expensive, brembos).
I would imagine the newer gens would be equally reliable.
but nothing beats lexus reliability and low depreciation!
why not look into a GX or an LX?!
#6
#7
^ Looking at $120K plus cars and you're worried about gas??
My dad has a Porsche and I am looking at the Panamara Sport Tourismo. They are insanely reliable in the MECHANICS of the car. Does that mean they are flawless? Not by a long shot. Little things pop up. But the problem with that is the "little things" have big price tags if you can't fix it yourself. Also, it is to be noted that (at least in our area) the Porsche dealer will not work on cars that are over 10 years old. So ask about that as well. It is a factor about how long I keep the car at this point.
My dad has a Porsche and I am looking at the Panamara Sport Tourismo. They are insanely reliable in the MECHANICS of the car. Does that mean they are flawless? Not by a long shot. Little things pop up. But the problem with that is the "little things" have big price tags if you can't fix it yourself. Also, it is to be noted that (at least in our area) the Porsche dealer will not work on cars that are over 10 years old. So ask about that as well. It is a factor about how long I keep the car at this point.
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#8
Driver
Thread Starter
911's are reliable, Cayennes, not as much, at least it used to be that way. My cousin got one of the original Cayennes used and it was a money pit, so many expensive issues in such little time he only kept it for a few weeks and got rid of it.
Why does your wife think you need a bigger vehicle or SUV over a GS? Is it really needed, will you be going off roading? It is only a 5 seater so you can't fit any more people in it then your GS. I think if you are concerned about cost of ownership and possible headaches it may not be a good idea to go with a Cayanne over a GS. A MDX is a 7 seater and will cost much less to buy and own, they get very good fuel economy too.
Why does your wife think you need a bigger vehicle or SUV over a GS? Is it really needed, will you be going off roading? It is only a 5 seater so you can't fit any more people in it then your GS. I think if you are concerned about cost of ownership and possible headaches it may not be a good idea to go with a Cayanne over a GS. A MDX is a 7 seater and will cost much less to buy and own, they get very good fuel economy too.
my neighbor owns a 2010 cayenne GTS and it's a lovely vehicle. his wife primarily drives it, and it has almost 130k on the odo.
he tells me he has not spent that much on maintenance other than the normal stuff such as brakes (which are expensive, brembos).
I would imagine the newer gens would be equally reliable.
but nothing beats lexus reliability and low depreciation!
why not look into a GX or an LX?!
he tells me he has not spent that much on maintenance other than the normal stuff such as brakes (which are expensive, brembos).
I would imagine the newer gens would be equally reliable.
but nothing beats lexus reliability and low depreciation!
why not look into a GX or an LX?!
^ Looking at $120K plus cars and you're worried about gas??
My dad has a Porsche and I am looking at the Panamara Sport Tourismo. They are insanely reliable in the MECHANICS of the car. Does that mean they are flawless? Not by a long shot. Little things pop up. But the problem with that is the "little things" have big price tags if you can't fix it yourself. Also, it is to be noted that (at least in our area) the Porsche dealer will not work on cars that are over 10 years old. So ask about that as well. It is a factor about how long I keep the car at this point.
My dad has a Porsche and I am looking at the Panamara Sport Tourismo. They are insanely reliable in the MECHANICS of the car. Does that mean they are flawless? Not by a long shot. Little things pop up. But the problem with that is the "little things" have big price tags if you can't fix it yourself. Also, it is to be noted that (at least in our area) the Porsche dealer will not work on cars that are over 10 years old. So ask about that as well. It is a factor about how long I keep the car at this point.
#9
Driver School Candidate
I bought my wife an Infiniti QX60 and we traded in our Sequoia becuase we didn't need anything that large anymore. The QX60 is pretty fantastic. Good performance and still has a 3rd row. If you don't need a 3rd row, I would look at the new QX50 with the variable compression turbo engine. Infiniti is doing some really great stuff right now.
Last edited by MikeLucky; 05-22-18 at 08:05 AM.
#10
Instructor
Second, the "soul" of an SUV is in off-roading, especially with the GX and LX which still carry real body-on-frame chassis unlike the Cayenne which is really just a crossover. It's only in North America that people somehow think driving in a high horse SUV makes them "safer" and therefore most SUV spend their lives hauling kids.
#11
Driver
Thread Starter
First of all, "SUV" and "athletic" don't belong in the same sentence. You can't defy physics no matter what car manufacturers try to tell you. No amount of suspension wizardry will inspire confidence around corners when you are sitting 3 feet off the ground. Straight line, sure these things can be smoking fast.
Second, the "soul" of an SUV is in off-roading, especially with the GX and LX which still carry real body-on-frame chassis unlike the Cayenne which is really just a crossover. It's only in North America that people somehow think driving in a high horse SUV makes them "safer" and therefore most SUV spend their lives hauling kids.
Second, the "soul" of an SUV is in off-roading, especially with the GX and LX which still carry real body-on-frame chassis unlike the Cayenne which is really just a crossover. It's only in North America that people somehow think driving in a high horse SUV makes them "safer" and therefore most SUV spend their lives hauling kids.
When I say soul, I mean spirited driving. I think the word soul can be interpreted in many ways here. And the Porsche Cayenne has proven that it CAN do that. Again, the GTS and its V8 roar from both its engine and exhaust system has been known to raise the hair on people's necks. For me, the primary intent of my thread was geared more towards the reliability aspect of these cars as I have already confirmed that the Porsche Cayenne is not just a grocery hauler. The performance on those cars are real.
#12
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^ Looking at $120K plus cars and you're worried about gas??
My dad has a Porsche and I am looking at the Panamara Sport Tourismo. They are insanely reliable in the MECHANICS of the car. Does that mean they are flawless? Not by a long shot. Little things pop up. But the problem with that is the "little things" have big price tags if you can't fix it yourself. Also, it is to be noted that (at least in our area) the Porsche dealer will not work on cars that are over 10 years old. So ask about that as well. It is a factor about how long I keep the car at this point.
My dad has a Porsche and I am looking at the Panamara Sport Tourismo. They are insanely reliable in the MECHANICS of the car. Does that mean they are flawless? Not by a long shot. Little things pop up. But the problem with that is the "little things" have big price tags if you can't fix it yourself. Also, it is to be noted that (at least in our area) the Porsche dealer will not work on cars that are over 10 years old. So ask about that as well. It is a factor about how long I keep the car at this point.
#13
Lexus Champion
I always laugh at people that make comments like this. wanting and being able to afford an expensive car doesn't mean someone has to be flagrant with the expenses that go with the vehicle. Wealthy people aren't typically wealthy because they are foolish with their finances. They are wealthy because they are frugal.
#15
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JD Power Three Year Dependability Study
This is owner survey data, but it's the only statistical indicator that I have found that can speak to brand quality over time.
Lexus has been at the top of the list for at at least fifteen years, and Porsche has climbed to position two over the last five.
This is owner survey data, but it's the only statistical indicator that I have found that can speak to brand quality over time.
Lexus has been at the top of the list for at at least fifteen years, and Porsche has climbed to position two over the last five.