Putting matching front wheels in back to eliminate staggered setup
02-19-18, 10:23 AM
#1
Driver
Thread Starter
Putting matching front wheels in back to eliminate staggered setup
hey everyone. Something Ive been thinking about doing was to order two front f sport wheels for my 17 is300 and putting them in the back when it’s time to get new tires.
Im sure there is some performance loss here but I don’t drive my car on the track and use it for a daily commuter.
I feel like the loss of performance is worth being able to rotate my wheels to extend my tire life when I buy new tires.
All input welcome on this.
Not sure if anyone ever posted about this.
Im sure there is some performance loss here but I don’t drive my car on the track and use it for a daily commuter.
I feel like the loss of performance is worth being able to rotate my wheels to extend my tire life when I buy new tires.
All input welcome on this.
Not sure if anyone ever posted about this.
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AquaMayne (07-12-21)
02-19-18, 01:56 PM
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Instructor
i read some posts here well for performance wise i don't wanna mention because some people believes some don't so no argument, by the way the price for 225 and 255 rim 18 not much different, there is no point wasting $$ (AWD you need to replace a set of 4 at once) , trust me when Lexus Engineer re-design AWD IS suspension, they did this for handling, i kept my All-season tires on my AWD IS and drove it for the whole Canadian winter storm, compared my front Wheel Drive Toyota with WInter tires, my IS350 AWD fell better and safer with OEM stagger setup. i never had winter tires on my own Car for 20 years.
Folks saying small Wheel or Tire is better for Snows driving, that B-S , last year and this year i have spent Thousand of dollars to perform a Tire and Winter test, 225/40/18 in the Front and 255/35/18 in the rear with YOKOHAMA ALL SEASONS tires is still safe and better than Continental winter tires on my Toyota TRD spec 225/45/17 all around. "225/45/17" specs was from TRD Toyota Solara back in 1999. later they use that spec on 2001 Lexus IS 1st gen.
Folks saying small Wheel or Tire is better for Snows driving, that B-S , last year and this year i have spent Thousand of dollars to perform a Tire and Winter test, 225/40/18 in the Front and 255/35/18 in the rear with YOKOHAMA ALL SEASONS tires is still safe and better than Continental winter tires on my Toyota TRD spec 225/45/17 all around. "225/45/17" specs was from TRD Toyota Solara back in 1999. later they use that spec on 2001 Lexus IS 1st gen.
02-19-18, 02:09 PM
#3
Driver
Thread Starter
While I appreciate your comment it seems you strayed a bit from my original intentions
The whole reason I said I wanted to do this is so I can rotate my tires to get double the mileage out of them which for the life of the car would save me tremendous money in tires.
The whole reason I said I wanted to do this is so I can rotate my tires to get double the mileage out of them which for the life of the car would save me tremendous money in tires.
02-19-18, 02:21 PM
#4
Should work fine for the purpose you intend.
Quick overview of why the car has the staggered setup in the first place.
Larger/wider tires stick better than narrower tires. Narrow tires will slide/skid first.
When the front tires slide first the car "understeers" and "pushes" straight ahead.
When the rear tires slide first the car "oversteers" and "gets loose" and spins around.
When you replace the 255's with 225's the rear could get loose and oversteer.
I personally find the idea entertaining
but you could get surprised on a wet
freeway ramp in the rain when you least expect it.
Quick overview of why the car has the staggered setup in the first place.
Larger/wider tires stick better than narrower tires. Narrow tires will slide/skid first.
When the front tires slide first the car "understeers" and "pushes" straight ahead.
When the rear tires slide first the car "oversteers" and "gets loose" and spins around.
When you replace the 255's with 225's the rear could get loose and oversteer.
I personally find the idea entertaining
but you could get surprised on a wetfreeway ramp in the rain when you least expect it.
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OrthoMT (06-08-18)
02-19-18, 03:55 PM
#5
Instructor
no offend to me i looking for "SAFETY and HANDLING" more than looking for saving $$$$ if i want to save money I WILL BUY A TOYOTA YARIS or Corolla. its not about the $$ its about safety since "Toyota Solara V6" is number 1 safety back in the day in1998 (the car was luxury came with ABS+Traction control, ABS and Traction were optional at that time.
02-19-18, 04:05 PM
#6
Instructor
Should work fine for the purpose you intend.
Quick overview of why the car has the staggered setup in the first place.
Larger/wider tires stick better than narrower tires. Narrow tires will slide/skid first.
When the front tires slide first the car "understeers" and "pushes" straight ahead.
When the rear tires slide first the car "oversteers" and "gets loose" and spins around.
When you replace the 255's with 225's the rear could get loose and oversteer.
I personally find the idea entertaining but you could get surprised on a wet
freeway ramp in the rain when you least expect it.
Quick overview of why the car has the staggered setup in the first place.
Larger/wider tires stick better than narrower tires. Narrow tires will slide/skid first.
When the front tires slide first the car "understeers" and "pushes" straight ahead.
When the rear tires slide first the car "oversteers" and "gets loose" and spins around.
When you replace the 255's with 225's the rear could get loose and oversteer.
I personally find the idea entertaining
but you could get surprised on a wetfreeway ramp in the rain when you least expect it.
02-19-18, 05:11 PM
#7
Pole Position
find two more rear wheels and put them in the front. get some spacers and put them on in back to push them out to match the front stance. four identical tires/wheels, better traction, better wear, and a better look.
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AquaMayne (07-12-21)
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02-19-18, 10:43 PM
#9
Lead Lap
Sounds like you bought the wrong car for yourself there if you're worried about the cost of tires and compromising your safety over it ....
02-20-18, 03:59 AM
#10
Driver
Thread Starter
You guys do realize that the base awd version of our cars come with 17 inch wheels non staggered setup?
its the same car lol without staggered setup and no issues with the way it handles or drives. I spoke with a lead teach from Lexus over the weekend and he said the only downside is that the narrower tires will have less traction for performance related driving like pushing the car hard.
He said youll actually get better better gas mileage and be able to rotate the tires as well as have more of a selection on the kind of tires I can buy.
its the same car lol without staggered setup and no issues with the way it handles or drives. I spoke with a lead teach from Lexus over the weekend and he said the only downside is that the narrower tires will have less traction for performance related driving like pushing the car hard.
He said youll actually get better better gas mileage and be able to rotate the tires as well as have more of a selection on the kind of tires I can buy.
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AquaMayne (07-12-21)
02-20-18, 07:42 AM
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You guys do realize that the base awd version of our cars come with 17 inch wheels non staggered setup?
its the same car lol without staggered setup and no issues with the way it handles or drives. I spoke with a lead teach from Lexus over the weekend and he said the only downside is that the narrower tires will have less traction for performance related driving like pushing the car hard.
He said youll actually get better better gas mileage and be able to rotate the tires as well as have more of a selection on the kind of tires I can buy.
its the same car lol without staggered setup and no issues with the way it handles or drives. I spoke with a lead teach from Lexus over the weekend and he said the only downside is that the narrower tires will have less traction for performance related driving like pushing the car hard.
He said youll actually get better better gas mileage and be able to rotate the tires as well as have more of a selection on the kind of tires I can buy.
It will be hard to find just 2 f sport wheels to do what you want to do, and likely expensive. You might get lucky, i thought about doing that too, wasn't sure if 255 would fit in the front, and i didn't want to put the smaller wheels all around because i wanted the wheels to be flush with the fender.
02-20-18, 08:28 AM
#12
Driver
Thread Starter
so You actually bought new rims and did what I’m thinking of doing.
Yeah ah I get why they are saying that but our cars are designed to run with 225’s all around as well as a staggered setup.
Base and f sport.
So I know it will be fine. The Lexus tech even confirmed it.
I’m going to get a quote from the Lexus dealer I use on the two front rims and when I change my wheels I’ll probably go with 235/35 18’s so they are a little wider all around.
Yeah ah I get why they are saying that but our cars are designed to run with 225’s all around as well as a staggered setup.
Base and f sport.
So I know it will be fine. The Lexus tech even confirmed it.
I’m going to get a quote from the Lexus dealer I use on the two front rims and when I change my wheels I’ll probably go with 235/35 18’s so they are a little wider all around.
02-20-18, 08:36 AM
#13
Driver
Thread Starter
I found this site that is a Lexus dealer that seems to have really good prices compared to dealers locally.
https://www.lexuspartshub.com/oem-pa...bC12Ni1nYXM%3D
not bad at all.
https://www.lexuspartshub.com/oem-pa...bC12Ni1nYXM%3D
not bad at all.
02-20-18, 09:07 AM
#14
so You actually bought new rims and did what I’m thinking of doing.
Yeah ah I get why they are saying that but our cars are designed to run with 225’s all around as well as a staggered setup.
Base and f sport.
So I know it will be fine. The Lexus tech even confirmed it.
I’m going to get a quote from the Lexus dealer I use on the two front rims and when I change my wheels I’ll probably go with 235/35 18’s so they are a little wider all around.
Yeah ah I get why they are saying that but our cars are designed to run with 225’s all around as well as a staggered setup.
Base and f sport.
So I know it will be fine. The Lexus tech even confirmed it.
I’m going to get a quote from the Lexus dealer I use on the two front rims and when I change my wheels I’ll probably go with 235/35 18’s so they are a little wider all around.
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