GS to ES? Update
07-22-17, 04:43 PM
#1
Driver
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GS to ES? Update
I took my GS F for maintenance and test drove the LC and GS F with the new dampers. I discussed the future of the GS with a few individuals at the Lexus dealer, one individual discussed the GS future with the regional director.
The consensus was that the ES and GS are consolidating next year. The primary reason is that the "ES" will have an all-wheel drive option and Lexus isn't clear on what will happen to GS sales. It is also unclear what the name of the future vehicle will be, either "ES" or "GS". Lexus is open to either name. This explains the confusion about what test vehicle was being tested on the Nurburgring last month - http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...d-testing.html
Either way, Lexus is planning to not build the next GS on a dedicated rear-drive platform but build off the new Camry platform, hence rumors of being killed.
This new Lexus model based off of the Camry platform will drop late next year as a 2019.
The consensus was that the ES and GS are consolidating next year. The primary reason is that the "ES" will have an all-wheel drive option and Lexus isn't clear on what will happen to GS sales. It is also unclear what the name of the future vehicle will be, either "ES" or "GS". Lexus is open to either name. This explains the confusion about what test vehicle was being tested on the Nurburgring last month - http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...d-testing.html
Either way, Lexus is planning to not build the next GS on a dedicated rear-drive platform but build off the new Camry platform, hence rumors of being killed.
This new Lexus model based off of the Camry platform will drop late next year as a 2019.
Last edited by aginnt; 07-22-17 at 05:11 PM.
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07-23-17, 05:55 AM
#4
There are many reasons why that's true. Both RC and IS Lexus models depend on the GS, they all share the GS platform. Making the next GS a front wheel drive car would impact other models.
Another reason is cost. Let's assume for a minute that Lexus did use Camry as a donor. What do you think will happen to GS prices? They'll drop to ES territory, because no one is going to pay $60,000 for a souped up Camry. Lastly, production of the next GS was already confirmed by one of our members here, he even posted the production code for the next GS.
They did get one thing right, the redesigned ES is coming next year as 2019 model and GS is usually released a year after, which means in 2019 we will see the all new 2020 Lexus GS.
07-23-17, 06:14 AM
#5
Don't listen to what they say at the dealer, majority of them have no clue. Front wheel drive GS will never happen, especially based of Camry.
There are many reasons why that's true. Both RC and IS Lexus models depend on the GS, they all share the GS platform. Making the next GS a front wheel drive car would impact other models.
Another reason is cost. Let's assume for a minute that Lexus did use Camry as a donor. What do you think will happen to GS prices? They'll drop to ES territory, because no one is going to pay $60,000 for a souped up Camry. Lastly, production of the next GS was already confirmed by one of our members here, he even posted the production code for the next GS.
They did get one thing right, the redesigned ES is coming next year as 2019 model and GS is usually released a year after, which means in 2019 we will see the all new 2020 Lexus GS.
There are many reasons why that's true. Both RC and IS Lexus models depend on the GS, they all share the GS platform. Making the next GS a front wheel drive car would impact other models.
Another reason is cost. Let's assume for a minute that Lexus did use Camry as a donor. What do you think will happen to GS prices? They'll drop to ES territory, because no one is going to pay $60,000 for a souped up Camry. Lastly, production of the next GS was already confirmed by one of our members here, he even posted the production code for the next GS.
They did get one thing right, the redesigned ES is coming next year as 2019 model and GS is usually released a year after, which means in 2019 we will see the all new 2020 Lexus GS.
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07-23-17, 08:28 AM
#6
Lead Lap
Didn't they JUST redesign the ES? What in the world are they doing to it now??
07-23-17, 08:42 AM
#7
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Originally Posted by jtrue28
Didn't they JUST redesign the ES? What in the world are they doing to it now??
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07-23-17, 08:56 AM
#8
Lexus Test Driver
It's hard to say what to believe with reference to the GS. Many car makers currently have a number of vehicles under review with rumors of elimination.
General Motors has put six of its cars under review and is evaluating whether to cancel them in the coming years, according to a report from Reuters. The news comes as sales of cars continue to plummet in the U.S. and as consumers increasingly turn to SUVs and pickups. The company is considering plans to eliminate the Chevrolet Volt hybrid, the Buick LaCrosse, Cadillac CT6, Cadillac XTS, Chevrolet Impala and Chevrolet Sonic, according to Reuters. The other car makers are evaluating their line of vehicles with rumors too...
General Motors has put six of its cars under review and is evaluating whether to cancel them in the coming years, according to a report from Reuters. The news comes as sales of cars continue to plummet in the U.S. and as consumers increasingly turn to SUVs and pickups. The company is considering plans to eliminate the Chevrolet Volt hybrid, the Buick LaCrosse, Cadillac CT6, Cadillac XTS, Chevrolet Impala and Chevrolet Sonic, according to Reuters. The other car makers are evaluating their line of vehicles with rumors too...
07-23-17, 09:51 AM
#9
I think its a HUGE mistake for Lexus to get rid of the GS. They are soooo close to the bmw 5-series in terms of performance. The 5th gen GS had a real possibility of taking the reigns. All that work for nothing, if this is true.
07-23-17, 10:43 AM
#10
Lexus Champion
More information can be found in the other 6 threads on this topic...
07-23-17, 11:56 AM
#11
Lead Lap
Unfortunately, everything is about $$$. If they're not selling the GS, read "not making money", then common business sense is to stop making it. It sucks, but what do we expect...
07-23-17, 12:29 PM
#12
Lexus Champion
As discussed in multiple other threads, the GS has soldiered on for years with far fewer sales than it has now. It's typical of the GS lifecycle to be low at this point, but this gen is fairing better than some past GS gens.
07-23-17, 01:09 PM
#13
After 4 years on the market at 87,217 units, the current generation 4GS hasn't sold quite as well as its predecesdor the 3GS which managed 99,987 units despite the 2008 Global Financial Crisis, however I highly doubt the GS will be cancelled because it is merely a sporty cosmetic & suspension derivative of the Japanese Domestic Market Toyota Crown which will be released soon, so the development costs of the 5GS won't be great, but you never know what will happen.
07-23-17, 02:28 PM
#14
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by peteharvey
After 4 years on the market at 87,217 units, the current generation 4GS hasn't sold quite as well as its predecesdor the 3GS which managed 99,987 units despite the 2008 Global Financial Crisis, however I highly doubt the GS will be cancelled because it is merely a sporty cosmetic & suspension derivative of the Japanese Domestic Market Toyota Crown which will be released soon, so the development costs of the 5GS won't be great, but you never know what will happen.
07-23-17, 02:56 PM
#15
Also, why was this forthcoming 2018 Toyota Crown-based 5GS with 4GS 18" luxury alloy wheels caught testing at the Nurburgring only recently?
