It will be interesting to see how long turbos rule, and how soon BEV's saturate the market; only time will tell once Benz and Audi unleash their more affordable semi-luxury BEV's in 2018.

BEV's work slightly differently from conventional ICE's.
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/...ars-says-study

95% of all trips are under 30 miles.
98% of all trips are under 50 miles.
99% of all trips are under 70 miles.

Thus, BEV's rely on regular daily top ups like current day smart phones, rather than recharging just once per week like the credit card sized Nokias and Motorolas from 10-15 years ago.
In any case, the big battery capacity can deliver over 300 miles any way.
BEV's will suit most people, but they won't suit everyone.

If I need a 7 seater Sienna, or a truck like a Tacoma, or an off road vehicle like a Landcruiser, or needed a 600+ mile touring range - all just once a year, or once every several years - I'd just rent it.
The last time I travelled 600 miles a day was back in August 1994!
If I travelled long ranges more frequently, I'd go for a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle HFCV.
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its more complicated than that unfortunately. It's not CAFE standards, Lexus doesn't really have to worry about that because they have Toyota. In other parts of the world they can't sell the non hybrid LS because it doesn't hit fuel economy targets. Also, there's a demand for better economy. That's why they have base V6 power in these cars.

 

that may be true, but we both know that a V6 can use just as much if not more fuel than a V8 depending on the weight of the driver's foot. a V8 can theoretically function as a 4 cylinder with cylinder deactivation, which isn't new technology, so unless it's a marketing strategy i'm not convinced that V8s cant still be used.

 

Yes, twin turbo V8's are great for LS; better in LS than GS.
Because LS is bigger and heavier than GS, so LS has the body weight to balance out the extra weight of the V8.
In the GS, the V8 makes the GS very "nose heavy" on slalom and skid pan tests at the limit.
However, the twin turbo V8 is genuinely smoother than the twin turbo V6, but both small capacity twin turbos will rev more smoothly and quietly than their larger capacity atmospheric counterparts with much more rotating mass, hence more vibration and harshness.

 

It was more of wishful thinking on my part but yes they would need to share the engine platform across different chassis. I just want Toyota to bring out a boosted 6cyl 3.X engine that's all lol.

 

Toyota has a 2.4L Twin Turbo V6 that makes 500hp in this years TS050... maybe bore it out to 2.5L and 3.0L applications for Lexus

 

^^ I would not be surprised if the 400 hp / 325 lb-ft 3.0L V6 twin turbo engine detailed at the beginning of this thread actually started from that TS050 engine and Toyota's TMG engineering arm in Germany. Just my speculation but I'd be excited to read confirmation of that.

If Toyota's upcoming 3.0L V6 TT is meant to work in the new Supra as well as a few Lexus models I would fully expect them to have developed it from a racing program... or at least in conjunction with one.

What I recall reading some time ago was that the 2JZ-GTE engine evolved from the 1JZ-GTE design being worked over by Toyota and then Yamaha and also a German engineering firm (for the 2JZ-GTE cylinder head; Yamaha designed the 1JZ-GTE cylinder head). Then Hitachi co-developed the sequential turbo system and Getrag was called on for the manual transmission.

For the Supra at least they had better offer a manual transmission.

 

If this engine goes to iS model

 

Yes 2 decades and counting.....

Lexus bet on Hybrids which was the wrong bet and complete failure.
Lexus just stopped engineering their regular Engines for a decade basically - their V6 and V8 are just so outdated.
The V6 turbo is just now being developed, it will be prob another 1-2yrs before it makes it into any production cars/suvs. The V8 turbo has not even been mentioned so far LOL. Maybe in 10 years - the new F cars will get a turbo V8 finally.

Also MB and Jag are moving to 3.0 inline 6 turbo engines as they are much better than V6 layout.

 

So Lexus has been behind on engines since the first LS400 refresh? I think that's a little severe. They're probably about 5 years behind.

 

I'm not counting back to 1996........They are working on their FIRST TURBO 6cyl, its not even out yet. By the time it is out the other Automakers will be coming out with new engines as well which will probably be much more advanced as they would be on their 2nd, 3rd, 4th Gen of FI 6cyl engines!

Look at the portfolio of engine options from MB, BMW, Audi - it is staggering.

 

In-line sixe dies can also be easily used to cast in-line fours and in-line threes for small capacity turbocharging.

 

You said they are 20 years behind. Which means the last time their engine development was current was 1996...that's 20 years ago. I think that's a gross over exaggeration.

 

ok then - how many years in your estimation does it take to develop a BRAND NEW engine?
The last new V6 was introduced back in 2006, development started probably early 2000s.
This new V6 turbo will come in 2018-2019 probably - well folks thats about 2 full decades.

 

we have no idea what's under development. Lexus is very tight lipped.

in any event, I don't really understand why an engine has to be turbo to be modern"? I've never owned a car with a turbo, and I've owned a lot of modern cars.