No nav?
 

Hey everyone, there's a 2002 SC for sale on eBay that does not have nav, did they ever make one the first year without it, thought it was standard? The car only has 33k and is mint, but looking at the dash it looks weird! :sad:

I'm looking at it on ebay right now. That is very different, I've never seen an SC like that. I thought they all came loaded with only the spoiler and runflats as an option. IMHO the nav on the SC is horrible and useless anyways, so I wouldn't mind not having it, I always bring my Garmin.

i alway thought nav was standard, never heard of no nav.

me too...here's the car. People bidding probably have no idea that most SCs have a nav lol : http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2002-...6513ce6d#v4-39

i checked it out, can't believe it. somethings wrong.

There is nothing wrong there. I bought an '02, which I still have, and am familiar with how that car was optioned. First, NAV was an option on the 2002 model (which went on sale in May 2001). Most of the cars were shipped with the NAV installed, and since the waiting list at the car's introduction was well over a year long (I was #12 on a list of over 150), everybody took what was available. Technically, the rear spoiler was also listed as an option, but was almost universal. The only other option was the spare tire kit. I believe the NAV was made standard on the 2003 and beyond, although I'm not sure when that move was made, but it makes sense as it's cheaper to make all cars the same rather than single out a few for a different configuration.
The lack of a NAV can be spotted by the lack of a NAV screen cover; in those cars the dash wood trim is a solid piece from left to right.
The slide-up-and hide-away door and the tilting screen are spectacular accessories, and the NAV system still performs flawlessly, even though newer systems have a few more features and higher resolution screens.

[QUOTE=tfischer;6493077]There is nothing wrong there. I bought an '02, which I still have, and am familiar with how that car was optioned. First, NAV was an option on the 2002 model (which went on sale in May 2001). Most of the cars were shipped with the NAV installed, and since the waiting list at the car's introduction was well over a year long (I was #12 on a list of over 150), everybody took what was available. Technically, the rear spoiler was also listed as an option, but was almost universal. The only other option was the spare tire kit. I believe the NAV was made standard on the 2003 and beyond, although I'm not sure when that move was made, but it makes sense as it's cheaper to make all cars the same rather than single out a few for a different configuration.
The lack of a NAV can be spotted by the lack of a NAV screen cover; in those cars the dash wood trim is a solid piece from left to right.
The slide-up-and hide-away door and the tilting screen are spectacular accessories, and the NAV system still performs flawlessly, even though newer systems have a few more features and higher resolution screens.[/QUO

Thanks for the info, never knew about the wait time for a 2002, so this car would be rare? I figure it will go for $22k, only has 33,000 miles !:)

Looks weird but with everyone owning a GPS it should not hurt the sale, JMO.:)

thanks for the update i never new that, nice to know. makes sence. mystery solved.

Sure it's "rare," but not in a good way.

According to Toyota Reference.com, and as TFischer correctly pointed out, NAV was an option in the SC430's 2002 model year (code NV). Beginning with the 2003 model it was standard equipment, leaving only two optional items, spoiler (code RF) and run flat tires (code FL).
With total production run just under 26,000 units for the 2002 model year, it would be very interesting to learn how many were built without the navigation option.

Just as almost all came with the NAV, just about all of them also came with the Runflat tires, which was technically optional, although my recollection is that it was a no cost option, as the less expensive conventional tires came with the spare. (The "spoiler" was also almost universal, although I have seen photos of cars without one.)
The RF option turned out to be pretty expensive as a great many drivers, including me, did not replace them with runflats when they wore out, but went with a conventional tire for the tremendous improvement in both handling and ride comfort. (Run flat tires have very, very stiff sidewalls to support the wheel with no air, giving very little of an cushion.)
Eventually, for the road trip, I added a spare so as to not get stranded between urban areas. There is a whole "kit" available, although you can just buy the spare itself, add a vinyl cover from any parts place (designed for cars that mount the spare outside the back door like a Wrangler or RAV4), and you are ready to go. I mimicked another part of the "kit" by cutting plywood into the proper shape and gluing a carpet remnant on top, although this is optional.

You are a font of knowledge! I never knew all this stuff about the 2002model year, thanks!:)

You are very welcome.
As one of the very early owners of the SC430, my recollection is still pretty vivid about events surrounding the purchase.
Upon reflection, I am glad I was not higher up on the list, because the dealer would call me every week when a new SC or two arrived. They would be on his lot for a day or two for prep and then until the purchaser could pick them up. This way, I got to see most of the colors in person and was able to dispel myself of some preconceived notions.
For example, I liked the black, and thought the black interior would be nice, but I had a chance to see a black/black and black/ecru (that's the off-white) side by side, and I much preferred the ecru. I liked the dark green, but not with the saddle. That color turned out to be very rare, and I have only seen a few in the intervening 10 years.
In fact, like most buyers, I did not like the "saddle" too much with any color as it tended toward the orange rather than the tan area of the spectrum.
When my name came up, the car was black with saddle, and I passed (the dealer then sold it to Ken Griffey, Jr., I am told). The next one in was Black/ecru (with Nav, of course), and I jumped on it. Six months later I could have turned it for a tidy profit as the demand was pretty fierce and Lexus would not allow the dealers to sell them over sticker. I should have ordered two.
Saddle was discontinued and other colors came and went, but the black/white, with the very unusual bird's eye maple wood trim (a bold fashion statement) remains a classic. I just turned 35,000 mines, and still receive favorable, unsolicited comments at gas stations, etc., and I can't think of another convertible I'd rather have right now (DB9 Volante excepted).

I remember seeing one in Hawaii with no navigation. Which makes sense there. But it would kind of suck not having it here.

I think that when the NAVs started to hit the market, there was no data for Hawaii. My data disc even now says "North America," and although it includes Canada, our neighbor to the north (with few roads), it does not include Hawaii. I presume that today the NAV data is available, but I'm not sure. Anyway, that situation made getting a NAV system in your Hawaii car pretty much of a useless luxury, and I suspect many of the early, non-NAV equipped SC430s went there (they sure didn't go to Alaska).

I still have the window sticker that came with mine (I'm the 2nd owner of 3 yrs) and I thought that my 02 had the nav as standard equipment-WRONG!!!. According to my sticker (numbers match) the Nav wav $2000 (even), the rear spoiler was $440, the run flats were $400, the cargo net=$39, the trunk mat was $30, and wheel locks were $41. And while its not on the sticker, the chrome wheels with pie plates were a dealer-installed option. I don't know how much the wheels were. Shortly, after my purchase, I put on 20" Maya wheels and sold my chrome wheels which I had purchased non-lexus "twisties". The only regret I have with any of my dealings with this car was selling the original chrome wheels. I love the looks of the Mayas, but it was a dumb move on my part. I sold the chromes with pie plates, twisties, and tires (w/only 500 miles on them) for only $600-what a bonehead move that was!

Speaking of the NAV, I recall when I got my car I was discouraged that Lexus had made me buy a $2,000 toy that I would never use. I was so wrong. Soon I fell in love with the convenience of having a location sensitive map always handy, and one that knew its way home at that.
When I went to buy my next car and was shopping for a used RX ('04 or '05 model), I told the dealer that it had to have a NAV, and that this was a deal breaker. Now I have one in both of my cars and I get lost no more (. . . and it only cost me $4,000.00).

I wish i could give mine as much praise as you, but the stock nav has gotten me lost on several occasions and has always taken me the longest, most complicated route. so i have to keep my garmin handy at all times and have the suction cup marks on my windshield to prove it lol The only good thing I can think of, is that I can use the nav screen to display something else using the navtool, since the gps is a waste

I can certainly understand that different systems could select different routes, but how can you get lost?
Even by a circuitous route, the home button gets you home.

It doesn't work correctly. Gets off at the wrong exits, goes the wrong way on highways, it's horrible at best. I'm not 'lost' since I technically know where I am, it just can't navigate correctly.

How old is your DVD? An updated map may correct that.

I've never had that problem, and I've been using mine for over 10 years.
Perhaps you have old data, (in 10 years, I have purchased two upgrades - my current one is about two years old) which could be a part of the problem, or your default settings are avoiding toll roads, etc. There is no reason you should be getting off at the "wrong" exit, although you must remember that the NAV system will often give the shortest route in distance, even though a slightly longer route would be faster due to traffic lights or traffic density, about which it knows nothing, of course. Most people know local short cuts around familiar territory that a NAV system will not use because it favors major, direct roads, even they are usually crowded, since they are major, direct roads. That does not make the NAV system wrong, it just means you are better informed.
I have used my NAV in many unfamiliar cities and, except for not being able to get a constant GPS SAT signal in midtown Chicago, have never had a problem such as the ones you describe, nor are such complaints very common on this forum.
Given the limitations of the 10 year old technology, I find the system works very well. It served me well on a 950 mile trip to Atlanta just last week.

i have a black 04 with 54,000 with nav spoiler and spare. black on saddle interior pm me if your intrested

What's a "nav spoiler"?

This car sold for $ 23,600 ! Had 33,000 miles, no navigation.

My 2002 doesn't have a nav system which is fine by me. I have a really nice Garmin that hides away in the lower center console when I don't need it... and sticks nicely to the wood trim where the nav normally is when I do. I had an LX470 with nav, and I liked the system well enough, but with the extremely low prices and great features available on the high end GPS units nowadays, I really don't miss it. Besides, I leave my radio door closed most of the time and having all that birdseye maple (just like on my Telecaster ;) ) swathed across the dash is epic, IMO. :D

DrawDog,
What does your console look like without the NAV screen? Is it just the wood paneling?

An SC430 without the NAV is fairly rare. Technically the NAV was an option on the 2002 model when it went on sale in April of 2001, but well over 90% of them had the NAV. Soon thereafter (maybe on the 2003 models) it was made standard. Those without the NAV system have a solid piece of wood trim across the center of the dash, which looks pretty much like the dash of those with the NAV except for the absence of the two vertical breaks where God intended the door for the screen to be. The buttons are a little different, of course, but that's almost impossible to spot.

My '02 has the Nav and the rear spoiler w/ runflats. Most everyone who sees the Nav tucked in behind the moving wood trim thinks it's impressive. I couldn't imagine having one without it...Now the runflats is another story lol..

@Harold57,
There is just a solid strip of the birdseye maple with "SC 430" in the gold inlay similar to the one that says "Lexus" on the radio door. I assume those with navs have that inlay on the door that covers the nav. I will say this, they picked a really nice piece of wood for my dash panel... some tasty curl and of course lots of birdseyes. :D Initially, I was kind of shocked as I thought the nav system was standard. Kinda cool to find out that it's rare. ;)

How about a picture?

Thanks, Liquid... yep, that's pretty much it. :D Of course, mine has the light wood instead of the dark wood shown above.