Anything mods that can get me 75-100hp ?
12-27-01, 11:38 AM
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Anything mods that can get me 75-100hp ?
Okay, I keep reading about the turbo kits that can put me at 500hp+ at the wheels. But instead of shelling out $5000 for that, I'm interested in only about a 75-100 hp upgrade for my Sc300.
Intake + exhaust won't make nearly enough. What else can I do ? NOS is NOT an option !
Intake + exhaust won't make nearly enough. What else can I do ? NOS is NOT an option !
12-27-01, 12:55 PM
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Others on this board have said that a S-AFC on a N/A Supra can net 29 rwhp, headers on the is300 (not sure if they would fit sc300) i think net about 17 rwhp. CAI, cat-back exhaust and maybe that downpipe being offered elsewhere on this board could get you close to 75 rwhp. Also there is a discussion about an AEM chip being worked for the SC300.
That's all I can think of without going turbo.
nick
That's all I can think of without going turbo.
nick
12-27-01, 04:32 PM
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Yeah the average dumbass who is scared of running more than 5psi of boost will only make 350hp. 
Check out CompWiz's ride... he's running an "average" toyo kit on his and he's touching over 400 REAR-WHEEL hp...
You can't chip a SC400 and do that
but back to the subject, like Jeff said...
to get 75-100hp, nitrous or turbo is the only way to go for that kind of power
a header-back exhaust, S-AFC and ITC tuning would prolly net around 210-220rwhp
Check out CompWiz's ride... he's running an "average" toyo kit on his and he's touching over 400 REAR-WHEEL hp...
You can't chip a SC400 and do that
but back to the subject, like Jeff said...
to get 75-100hp, nitrous or turbo is the only way to go for that kind of power
a header-back exhaust, S-AFC and ITC tuning would prolly net around 210-220rwhp
12-27-01, 10:21 PM
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The guys at Toyomoto told me 350 hp at the wheels for their "basic" set-up. I tend to assume that people who produce a product know more about it than the people who buy it. silly me. Also, i'd be running a turbo SC300, but then I live in california where the commie rats here will send me to a ref station and get my registration taken away. If I didn't live here, sure I'd have a turbo SC300, but I don't, so don't act like I have a choice about it- I do the best with what's available to me, and if that's not good enough for you then I don't need to hear about it.
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12-28-01, 04:36 AM
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wow..mad max is a little touchy huh......just cause ya got a slow V8 you dont have to jump all over us 
im joking......but anywya..there must be some way around things because a majority of heavily modified cars are in cali....theres a way around it...i just dont live there so i dont know it....
as for the toyomoto kit.....if you get the most basic your looking at around 350-380 rwhp....with very minor upgrades you can be over 400 rwhp VERY EASILY......
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im joking......but anywya..there must be some way around things because a majority of heavily modified cars are in cali....theres a way around it...i just dont live there so i dont know it....as for the toyomoto kit.....if you get the most basic your looking at around 350-380 rwhp....with very minor upgrades you can be over 400 rwhp VERY EASILY......
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12-28-01, 10:18 AM
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You also have to realize that I'm in what used to be called the Moscow of the West, San Francisco. Down in southland there's as many crooked shops as there are straight ones. As for having a turbo SC300, I'd be in the been there done that territory.. what does one prove by copying others?
If I wanted that set-up I'd be driving a Supra...
If I wanted that set-up I'd be driving a Supra...
12-28-01, 10:27 AM
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been there done that huh....ive seen sc400s with intake , ECU.exahust and nitrous run 12s back in 93...so what your doing isnt exacly pioneering.....mabye i took your comment the wrong way....but for the handfull of turboed sc300s compared to the shlt load of supra TTs.......thats one of the reasons i did a sc300....so i wouldnt be like every other supra....but what ever...Jeff
12-28-01, 01:35 PM
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didn't mean to offend anyone, i should have said joe schmoe or something instead of using any dumb person... I never said or inferred that we knew more about the kit than the shop did; his basic kit with absolutely nothing more and 7psi of boost makes around 350-380rwhp
in your previous statement you said 350hp... thats WAY off of 350rwhp... his kit makes that power with a stock exhaust other than the 3" downpipe it comes with... please compare that to a SC400 with all the boltons it can muster...
but still thats 350-380 at the wheels at 7psi of boost
you can turn it up to 12psi on the stage 1 kit with the additionals it comes with... thats around 400-420rwhp... thats what we're talking about... and it can go a lot further than that too; you just need more fuel
But Jeff is right, I don't understand the whole "pioneering" thing myself but if you guys like it, then go for it. But the SC300/400 has been out for 10 years now, its not like you're pioneering anything unless it was a new easy to bolt on and cheap to purchase turbokit for the 400. I also bought my car instead of a SupraTT. I wanted something other than a typical Supra; something that gives that sleeper-appeal
99% of cars on the road have been looked at for modifying and some person out there has taken them pretty far to see what they are worth in the mod scene.
The only vehicle I see that hasn't been pioneered is the 85-87 Toyota Pickup... the turbo-2.4L 4cyl 4x4
other than that; only new cars are cars that haven't been modded a lot and taken to that limit. Like the new Altima, WRX, MR2 Spyder (turbokits anyway)... LOTS of pioneers in the WRX market
in your previous statement you said 350hp... thats WAY off of 350rwhp... his kit makes that power with a stock exhaust other than the 3" downpipe it comes with... please compare that to a SC400 with all the boltons it can muster...
but still thats 350-380 at the wheels at 7psi of boost
you can turn it up to 12psi on the stage 1 kit with the additionals it comes with... thats around 400-420rwhp... thats what we're talking about... and it can go a lot further than that too; you just need more fuel
But Jeff is right, I don't understand the whole "pioneering" thing myself but if you guys like it, then go for it. But the SC300/400 has been out for 10 years now, its not like you're pioneering anything unless it was a new easy to bolt on and cheap to purchase turbokit for the 400. I also bought my car instead of a SupraTT. I wanted something other than a typical Supra; something that gives that sleeper-appeal
99% of cars on the road have been looked at for modifying and some person out there has taken them pretty far to see what they are worth in the mod scene.
The only vehicle I see that hasn't been pioneered is the 85-87 Toyota Pickup... the turbo-2.4L 4cyl 4x4
other than that; only new cars are cars that haven't been modded a lot and taken to that limit. Like the new Altima, WRX, MR2 Spyder (turbokits anyway)... LOTS of pioneers in the WRX market
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12-28-01, 01:41 PM
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I dunno, I'm not into NOS. I'm thinking of making a blower setup with help from WR... maybe a switching one, but I'm looking for faster times. I just get the feeling that there's a lack of respect..
The WRX tempted me a lot.. but I'm serious here I'm gonna build up an interceptor out of this car Switching supercharger, a Getrag 6 speed and Tein HA's. I know people have tried, but I'm going to keep my car completely smog legal while taking it off the deep end mod-wise.. I know how to do it now.
The WRX tempted me a lot.. but I'm serious here I'm gonna build up an interceptor out of this car
Switching supercharger, a Getrag 6 speed and Tein HA's. I know people have tried, but I'm going to keep my car completely smog legal while taking it off the deep end mod-wise.. I know how to do it now.
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12-28-01, 01:56 PM
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A good sized blower would definitely help and put you in the running with the stage 1 turbo SC300s...
I think you're misreading the SC300 group of turboholics. We aren't trying to talk smack... I've seen most places where these arguments crop up is when a newbie comes on and asks which should he buy; and like a SC400 owner comes up and says the 400 is the best to get because its the fastest, etc...
a 300 5speed and 400 are in a dead heat stock... and both can be made fairly quick... the 400 has its ECU and exhaust/intake stuffs and the 300 has its S-AFC, ITC and exhaust/intake stuff... they are both neck and neck in ET and mph
I think the smack talk comes from more of the 300 owners not wanting a new potential Lexite to get incorrect information... and this goes both ways, i'm sure you guys feel that way too...
The bottomline that we try to hammer out that some of you don't acknowledge, is in the more heavy mods, the 300 is king... period... there are no ifs ands or buts about it... once you get past the $5000 to get a turbokit onto a sc300; the mods become very cheap and easy to do (except for standalones, etc)... swap out for a bigger turbo isn't too bad because you can sell your old one... no need for a new manifold because the first one works... etc etc...
THATs where the pioneering work should start for 400s, if you can get the SC400 to go head to head with the SC300 in the more heavily modified areas, then that would be sweet...
I think you're misreading the SC300 group of turboholics. We aren't trying to talk smack... I've seen most places where these arguments crop up is when a newbie comes on and asks which should he buy; and like a SC400 owner comes up and says the 400 is the best to get because its the fastest, etc...
a 300 5speed and 400 are in a dead heat stock... and both can be made fairly quick... the 400 has its ECU and exhaust/intake stuffs and the 300 has its S-AFC, ITC and exhaust/intake stuff... they are both neck and neck in ET and mph
I think the smack talk comes from more of the 300 owners not wanting a new potential Lexite to get incorrect information... and this goes both ways, i'm sure you guys feel that way too...
The bottomline that we try to hammer out that some of you don't acknowledge, is in the more heavy mods, the 300 is king... period... there are no ifs ands or buts about it... once you get past the $5000 to get a turbokit onto a sc300; the mods become very cheap and easy to do (except for standalones, etc)... swap out for a bigger turbo isn't too bad because you can sell your old one... no need for a new manifold because the first one works... etc etc...
THATs where the pioneering work should start for 400s, if you can get the SC400 to go head to head with the SC300 in the more heavily modified areas, then that would be sweet...
12-28-01, 04:09 PM
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A 350rwhp supercharged SC400 would need quite a bit more than just a good blower. Take stock output at 175rwhp. Exhaust+ ECU = 200-220rwhp, add centrifugal SC for another 100 or so... Unless you're going to lower the compression, you'll only be able to run 10psi max on the V-8. Without an intercooler 10psi isn't going to add as much hp as you'd think... Even if you make it to 350rwhp, on a centrifugal unit, its only going to add 100hp at the peak rpm around 6000. You'll get a small fraction of that at 3000rpm, which isn't much power. You'll have just enough time to wave at the 350rwhp turbo SC300 driver as he blows by with that fat 3000-7000rpm power band. A 6-7psi toyomoto kit on an SC300 should take 2 seconds off the ET and add 20mph to the trap speed.
