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Regular or Premium Gasoline Required?

Old 04-17-17, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Torii
my old 06 is250 awd ran 87 gas for 125k miles ....many sell 86 octane and not 87
Yes it would still work with no issues.
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Wow! This thread is really long for such a simple answer. RX350 runs on regular unleaded. Anything higher is just throwing money away. The car is not tuned for higher octane, so there will be no benefit from it. The RX450h recommends premium. You can get away with running lower octane, but to get the most out of your vehicle, use premium.

It's as simple as that.
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my personal belief is that the newest engines will compensate for any octane...not stating what is best...
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Originally Posted by Mike728
Wow! This thread is really long for such a simple answer. RX350 runs on regular unleaded. Anything higher is just throwing money away. The car is not tuned for higher octane, so there will be no benefit from it. The RX450h recommends premium. You can get away with running lower octane, but to get the most out of your vehicle, use premium.

It's as simple as that.
Wow, is this true. I was told by my salesman that I was to use Reg. in our new 450h.
Old 04-17-17, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Cocal
Yes the additives are present in greater number in premium than regular, it's these that contribute to the higher price, the xtra refining only a little bit.
Then, aside from the debate in this forum about whether premium improves power/torque/mileage, a real benefit of using premium should be a cleaner engine, yes?
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anyone check what fuel stations in japan sell? I lived in japan for a while, you might want to check it out.
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Originally Posted by 615tpc
The recommended fuel relates to achieving the marketed and specified EPA mpg and hp torque numbers. It doesn't mean the engineers put ceilings on the timings. I'd be very disappointed if Lexus engineers are doing that.
if they said 87 "required" perhaps one could be sure there is a ceiling on the timings.
I'm sorry that this is difficult to understand. I'm not sure anyone at Lexus will lose sleep over your disappointment. Your expectations of "hidden performance" are unrealistic.

No car states Regular Fuel Required, as higher octane will not harm the engine, just your bank account.
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Originally Posted by sderman
Then, aside from the debate in this forum about whether premium improves power/torque/mileage, a real benefit of using premium should be a cleaner engine, yes?
Really? NO!
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Originally Posted by 17450
Wow, is this true. I was told by my salesman that I was to use Reg. in our new 450h.
I'm going off what I found online. What does it say inside your gas cap door?
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https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sc-...on-vs-aki.html
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Originally Posted by 17450
OK, several of you are saying the change to 91 gas will show an immediate improvement. Other are saying it will take 2-3 tanks or more to show any difference. Which is it?
Results, as little as they maybe, are quick. Problem is you will feel no difference between the two.

The dealer fills you you tank with regular and you may continue to do so.
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Originally Posted by 615tpc
You need to drill down to the technicals to understand this. As an engineer I've done so and fully understand it. It is a pointless debate otherwise...
With you, it is. I'm now seeing why this thread is so long. Believe what you want. I can't stop you from wasting your money.
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[QUOTE=615tpc;98385.if they said 87 "required" perhaps one could be sure there is a ceiling on the timings.[/QUOTE]

You are right! Lexus engineers did not put a ceiling, but they did pit a floor level, below which one shouldn't go and that's 87. Stands to reason that 87 being the absolute minimum 91 would be better, engineers did not say not to go above....octanes yet I'm always amazed at how people interpret this, they seem to read this minimum as a must and only.
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There is a technical document on Tacoma World regarding the 2GR-FKS engine. Google it and you will see the valve advance maps and technical data. The exact programming is, of course, trade secrets, and not in the document. Direct injection engine technology has pretty much eliminated pre-ignition of gasoline compared to the standard days of port fuel injection -- I know the 2GR-FKS uses both, but when engine is warmed up, it uses mainly GDI and goes through a cleaning cycle via the PFI during idle periods.

Someone should just dyno their RX using 91+ and 87, unplugging the battery between runs to reset the sensor and on-board RAM. That way this discussion will actually have better data than a "butt-dyno". Right now it is conjecture on both sides.
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On that note, let's agree to disagree and move on.

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