tkman00

i'm pretty set on doing 8.5 all around, but thx for the pep talk anyway

Stormforge

personally i wouldn't do staggered on a suv unless you plan on modding. kit, drop, staggered wheels...then that would look nice. but that's just me.

rominl

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you sure you wouldn't do it if you put wheels on a cayenne?

GrandSedanFan

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A. Untrue. Have you seen the ridiculous tire setups they've been putting on X5s for years?

X5xDrive4.8i Sport - 275 front, 315 rear. There is NO need for a 315 on the back of an AWD SUV.

535i xDrive Sport - 245 front, 275 rear. Again, no need for a 275 rear on the back of a 4000 lb 300hp AWD sedan.

This is purely a style decision. It does look good though. However.....see below.

B. Because there is no need for stagger with AWD. Non staggered tires can be rotated and are frankly more cost effective for manufacturers to sell vehicles with. Stagger on AWD actually increases understeer, which is already bad because of the added weight of the AWD.

Stormforge, rominl, I would absolutely toss staggered wheels on an SUV.....if it's a rear biased or sport (Cayenne, ML63, X5M) AWD or just plain RWD (TBSS, SRT10 Ram). On this generation of RX with its FWD bias? Absolutely not. I can't justify it to myself. It would just be wrong in my head, knowing that the tires that drive, steer, and brake the car are narrower than the "hold up the *** end of the car" wheels. Hell, I wouldn't even do it on a 50/50 AWD, like the last RX.

rominl

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well, i said it's doable but i never said i'd do it on the rx (not a car i'd spend this kind of money on) that's why i brought up cayenne example to stormforge, hehe...

and i absolutely refuse to "approve" any staggered setup on fwd, that's totally stupid imho. doesn't make any sense

tkman00

that's actually a very good point. i knew in the back of my head that it was FWD bias, but didn't even think to take that into consideration.

billy44bo

As someone from the gulf cost why would you staggered tires and what does it help?

tkman00

on a RWD vehicle it gives you a little more traction, but on anything else it's totally cosmetic

rominl

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on awd it's not necessarily cosmetic, it can be dependent on the system setup. on porsche turbo, staggered is for a reason. same with bmw and audi

billy44bo

Thank bouth of you I have only been it snow 10-12 times in my life and on the only snow storm than put 3-4 inches down thy closed the county down. Now rain is something we see a lot of here 65+ inches a year

GrandSedanFan

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Misleading. On a RWD vehicle, it gives you a lot more traction. In some cases, it's quite necessary. The base straightbody C6 comes with 285s. The Z06 comes with 325s. The ZR1 comes with 335s. Z06/ZR1/GrandSport owners immediately step up to 345s. There's a reason for this. If you put stock C6 285s on the back of a ZR1, you'd blow the tires off at half throttle merging onto the highway, which gets really sketchy. I know this because I've experienced it.

Many AWD sports cars are RWD biased. Compare the size of the rears on a Murcielago or a Gallardo/R8 to the fronts. Trust me, it makes a difference.

tkman00

ok, but it's more traction. as for AWD vehicles that have RWD bias, the key is the fact that it's RWD. but we're sort of saying the same thing here.

billy44bo

"it's more traction" ok but what is the cost for this traction lower mpg or something else you have to give up to get the extra traction ?

tkman00

tires. you can only swap sides by dismount/remounting em (assuming they are directional). you can't rotate them front to back.

GrandSedanFan

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We are and we're not. I was clarifying because your statement could lead people to believe that the OE staggered setups on some factory AWD cars are purely cosmetic and that RWD cars don't need their stagger, when some truly do.

I prefer precision and accuracy when making statements that could reasonably be construed as fact.