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yanje03 Jun 3, 2010 03:19 PM

Isn't Lexus RX windshield too soft?
 
My RX350' windshield got 2 big cracks in 1 year. I just feel the material of this windshield isn't good enough. Does anyone else has the same concern ?

RXSF Jun 3, 2010 03:48 PM

common issue with modern day windshields. I dont know why. You really just have to avoid bigrigs and large trucks

Cruiter Jun 3, 2010 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by yanje03 (Post 5540133)
My RX350' windshield got 2 big cracks in 1 year. I just feel the material of this windshield isn't good enough. Does anyone else has the same concern ?

Mine cracked right up the center while I was drying the car after I washed it. The dealer determined nothing hit it and replaced it with OEM windshield under warranty. The crack ran from an inch or two from the bottom about 2/3 of the way right up the center.

It's been fine and say's 'Lexus' on it. A glass company came to the dealer and they did it there.

redrocks Jun 4, 2010 04:52 PM

Cost cutting...cheap, cheap

Cruiter Jun 4, 2010 07:20 PM


Originally Posted by redrocks (Post 5543165)
Cost cutting...cheap, cheap

I wouldn't say that. How could you ??? Sometimes things just happen w/o explanation. In the new Consumer Reports the 2010 RX 450h, and 350 came out 1st and 3rd respectively in dependability and safety. The folks on here are probably less than 1% of all the owners. I don't fault Lexus for a w/s that was one of many made from their supplier with a hiccup. They took one look and replaced it with a smile during my 'free' 10000 mile maintenance.

LexBob2 Jun 4, 2010 07:29 PM

IMO, just plain bad luck is more of a factor with broken windshields than poor quality etc.

Johnny Jun 4, 2010 10:20 PM


Originally Posted by redrocks (Post 5543165)
Cost cutting...cheap, cheap

If you could validate your assertion with real facts rather than painting this issue with a broad and uninformed brush, it might be worth discussing or debating, but quite frankly you really did not add any substance to this thread, so... :rolleyes:

Windshields undergo tremendous thermal and mechanical forming processes in manufacturing. There are very few companies in this world that can produce them, so car manufacturers tend to purchase them from this very compact supply stream. Just because it says Lexus, Toyota, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, Aston Martin or Ferrari on the windshield does not imply they produce their own.

Occasionally, a few of them will fail due to residual thermal stresses, or manufacturing induced stresses either in handling or assembly. However, these rare events are so infrequent, they are replaced without question when/if it happens.

And no, they are not too soft...

Joeb427 Jun 5, 2010 04:04 AM

I think windshields are thinner and lighter than in the past for less weight and crack and chip easier because of that.

Cruiter Jun 5, 2010 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by Joeb427 (Post 5544065)
I think windshields are thinner and lighter than in the past for less weight and crack and chip easier because of that.

Joe
Can you cite any articles to back that up? Or is there some fact you used to form that opinion?

Just curious.

Joeb427 Jun 5, 2010 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by Cruiter (Post 5544093)
Joe
Can you cite any articles to back that up? Or is there some fact you used to form that opinion?

Just curious.

Well,just about everything else is made lighter to cut down weight.
Why not the windshield?No doubt it's thinner glass,IMO.
I'm in my 50's and don't remember all these chip and cracking problems on vehicles from the 60s,70s and 80's.Sure,it happened but not nearly as common as today.
I've only had windshields replaced on my 2000+ vehicles.A 2002 Grand Prix and 2007 Camry.
If I remember correctly,years ago,it took two guys to place the windshield in place on an install.Could be lack of the suction tool that is used today,though.

redrocks Jun 5, 2010 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by Joeb427 (Post 5544094)
Well,just about everything else is made lighter to cut down weight.
Why not the windshield?No doubt it's thinner glass,IMO.
I'm in my 50's and don't remember all these chip and cracking problems on vehicles from the 60s,70s and 80's.Sure,it happened but not nearly as common as today.
I've only had windshields replaced on my 2000+ vehicles.A 2002 Grand Prix and 2007 Camry.
If I remember correctly,years ago,it took two guys to place the windshield in place on an install.Could be lack of the suction tool that is used today,though.

Agree, lighter and thinner reduces weight and increases the vehicle's MPG.

kitlz Jun 5, 2010 05:35 AM

Even if the windshield is thinner and/or lighter, I would not correlate it with Lexus being cheap or implementing cost cutting measures necessarily.

Joeb427 Jun 5, 2010 05:36 AM

Could be the accoustic glass..
Windshields have gotten thinner and accoustic glass is lighter than stock non accoustic glass.

"The standard laminated glass windshield was first introduced for the safety benefit of providing occupant retention in the event of a crash. It also has proven vibration damping characteristics. Laminated glass consists of a 'sandwich' of a tough, polyvinyl butyral (PVB) interlayer bonded between two sheets of glass under heat and pressure. The PVB interlayer damps vibrations in the glass and, in automotive applications, produces a significant reduction in road and wind noise. Remarkably thin, the 'sandwich' ranges between 3.8 to 5.2 mm in thickness, depending upon its application, and weighs about 11% less than tempered glass of similar thickness. This weight reduction becomes important in overall vehicle design given OEMs' concern with vehicle weight.



http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...2/ai_n9303485/

Joeb427 Jun 5, 2010 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by kitlz (Post 5544111)
Even if the windshield is thinner and/or lighter, I would not correlate it with Lexus being cheap or implementing cost cutting measures necessarily.

No cost cutting.I believe Lexus pays more for accoustic glass.Lighter like a lot of parts today for less curb weight for better MPGs for that GOV CAFE number.

redrocks Jun 5, 2010 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Joeb427 (Post 5544112)
Could be the accoustic glass..
Windshields have gotten thinner and accoustic glass is thinner that stock non accoustic glass.

"The standard laminated glass windshield was first introduced for the safety benefit of providing occupant retention in the event of a crash. It also has proven vibration damping characteristics. Laminated glass consists of a 'sandwich' of a tough, polyvinyl butyral (PVB) interlayer bonded between two sheets of glass under heat and pressure. The PVB interlayer damps vibrations in the glass and, in automotive applications, produces a significant reduction in road and wind noise. Remarkably thin, the 'sandwich' ranges between 3.8 to 5.2 mm in thickness, depending upon its application, and weighs about 11% less than tempered glass of similar thickness. This weight reduction becomes important in overall vehicle design given OEMs' concern with vehicle weight.



http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...2/ai_n9303485/

Yes, I was just looking up information on acoustic glass windshield! Wonder if it cost less to produce than regular windshields?:thumbup::thumbup:


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