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Old Feb 13, 2025 | 07:52 PM
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According to the RCF Final Edition Brochure on Lexus.jp, the titanium exhaust is listed as optional (triangle icon).

https://lexus.jp/models/rcf_final_ed...on_catalog.pdf
You are better off getting the RR Racing full RES titanium exhaust. It will sound better, give +18 whp more and being a full titanium exhaust, you will end up with more Wi-Fi reduction.
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Old Feb 14, 2025 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by cyberfist0
According to the RCF Final Edition Brochure on Lexus.jp, the titanium exhaust is listed as optional (triangle icon).

https://lexus.jp/models/rcf_final_ed...on_catalog.pdf
For the U.S. they are all "mono-spec" - meaning they're all going to be the same with only options being body color. The Ti exhaust hasn't been a stand alone option in north america and I doubt they'll make it one now considering everyone already grumbling about the price of a carbon car to begin with.
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I'd probably do a Blitz Nur-spec Ti exhaust. Good price point for full titanium, just not sure about HP gains- anyone here have this muffler? I'd pair it with an apexi midpipe and PPE El headers.

While I was looking at the exhaust on lexus japan's website, noticed they are quoted 7.5months from order to delivery! Going to be a long wait for my final edition. Might pick up a 2jz IS300 in the interim.

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Old Feb 15, 2025 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 05RollaXRS
I found it. Here it is from 2022:

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RC F

  • The balance between front and rear body rigidity has been revised, and the D-range paddle shift shift control has been improved to achieve a more comfortable ride.
Lexus Partially Improves RC and RC F | Lexus | Global Newsroom | Toyota Motor Corporation Official Corporate Website

Just read that piece, thanks but it just has only a tiny bit of information, they do not mention anything related to chassis strengthening or any mention of rigidity enhancement in the engine bay - firewall strut tower bracing, just balance to provide more comfortable ride. Also this is the year when they went with Lug (Hub) Bolts vs all these years of Lug Nuts claiming it also reduces unsprung mass (sure but it adds mega head-ache for lining up the hub and wheel). I legit doubt they did anything because in JDM market as I said it clearly has the provision so they retained the same step of chassis drilling and attaching the brace to firewall like all the model years since it's inception. While NA market and EU market RCFs do not have any provision no drilled holes so no brace/mounting to firewall. Oh, also I just remembered upon reading that, RCF until 2022 has hand polished BBS Forged wheels, from 2023 onwards they are machine polished, yet another cost cutting.

BMW M Motorsport division even though it's on it's last legs (Electric M3 coming soon, and modern M5 is trash and a joke with hybrid powertrain and ugly as hell) puts a ton of bracing even though their cars are not even equipped with a V8 engine but rather I6. Also IS 500 is selling like hotcakes but look it's chassis integrity, it's bobs like crazy if we run high Gs and the rear portion zero strengthening, mentioning this because Lexus as a brand which puts innovation and pursuit of perfection is long gone to sunset, RCF is the last car of it's type and they even gutted it, which is why I'm furious. Heck even Stellantis owned Dodge gives it's chassis bracing with V8 engines, GM Corvette/Camaro as well. This is a high performance Coupe with Racing bred DNA in it (RCF GT3) and it's not good to have such cost cutting shenanigans.

Lexus of North America is just garbage. Sorry but that's what I see of this brand. They could not care to outfit the RCF with Auto-Close mirrors (does not even exist, also removed electrochromic side mirrors + auto-tilt in reverse from 2021/2022 I think) and Memory seat functionality (removed from 2022MY in USDM) at 80-100K price bracket when they have it in EU and JP markets. And forget them working on this RCF to improve, they had to put that IS Dash inside it to save cash on injection molding plastic they had to exclusively build for RCF, same for the Infotainment system and ofc the biggest piece of RCF design - A true Torque Vectoring Differential system unlike 99.99% of all cars out there using LSD / e-LSD / ABS / Braking to achieve it for an RWD Coupe.

Thankfully instead of further butchering the car by stripping it off reducing it's signature and it's history of F, they are giving it a final goodbye. Oh also unlike all model years they finally give the RCF build page a mention of RCF GT3 and how they share the chassis, I archived it here for posterity - https://archive.ph/HE2gu

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Originally Posted by LexLight
Just read that piece, thanks but it just has only a tiny bit of information, they do not mention anything related to chassis strengthening or any mention of rigidity enhancement in the engine bay - firewall strut tower bracing, just balance to provide more comfortable ride. Also this is the year when they went with Lug (Hub) Bolts vs all these years of Lug Nuts claiming it also reduces unsprung mass (sure but it adds mega head-ache for lining up the hub and wheel). I legit doubt they did anything because in JDM market as I said it clearly has the provision so they retained the same step of chassis drilling and attaching the brace to firewall like all the model years since it's inception. While NA market and EU market RCFs do not have any provision no drilled holes so no brace/mounting to firewall. Oh, also I just remembered upon reading that, RCF until 2022 has hand polished BBS Forged wheels, from 2023 onwards they are machine polished, yet another cost cutting.

BMW M Motorsport division even though it's on it's last legs (Electric M3 coming soon, and modern M5 is trash and a joke with hybrid powertrain and ugly as hell) puts a ton of bracing even though their cars are not even equipped with a V8 engine but rather I6. Also IS 500 is selling like hotcakes but look it's chassis integrity, it's bobs like crazy if we run high Gs and the rear portion zero strengthening, mentioning this because Lexus as a brand which puts innovation and pursuit of perfection is long gone to sunset, RCF is the last car of it's type and they even gutted it, which is why I'm furious. Heck even Stellantis owned Dodge gives it's chassis bracing with V8 engines, GM Corvette/Camaro as well. This is a high performance Coupe with Racing bred DNA in it (RCF GT3) and it's not good to have such cost cutting shenanigans.

Lexus of North America is just garbage. Sorry but that's what I see of this brand. They could not care to outfit the RCF with Auto-Close mirrors (does not even exist, also removed electrochromic side mirrors + auto-tilt in reverse from 2021/2022 I think) and Memory seat functionality (removed from 2022MY in USDM) at 80-100K price bracket when they have it in EU and JP markets. And forget them working on this RCF to improve, they had to put that IS Dash inside it to save cash on injection molding plastic they had to exclusively build for RCF, same for the Infotainment system and ofc the biggest piece of RCF design - A true Torque Vectoring Differential system unlike 99.99% of all cars out there using LSD / e-LSD / ABS / Braking to achieve it for an RWD Coupe.

Thankfully instead of further butchering the car by stripping it off reducing it's signature and it's history of F, they are giving it a final goodbye. Oh also unlike all model years they finally give the RCF build page a mention of RCF GT3 and how they share the chassis, I archived it here for posterity - https://archive.ph/HE2gu
No one buy these cars, therefore R&D and improvements are unnecessary; There is zero incentive for Toyota to make these cars aside from the GT3 homologation. Just amazed we can still get them. Your frustration should be aimed at the spreadsheet cross-shopping buyer that only considers the performance numbers and not the whole experience, but also at lexus's marketing arm, which could of done a better job of conveying what the RC-F is actually supposed to achieve for the driver.

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Originally Posted by LexLight
Just read that piece, thanks but it just has only a tiny bit of information, they do not mention anything related to chassis strengthening or any mention of rigidity enhancement in the engine bay - firewall strut tower bracing, just balance to provide more comfortable ride. Also this is the year when they went with Lug (Hub) Bolts vs all these years of Lug Nuts claiming it also reduces unsprung mass (sure but it adds mega head-ache for lining up the hub and wheel). I legit doubt they did anything because in JDM market as I said it clearly has the provision so they retained the same step of chassis drilling and attaching the brace to firewall like all the model years since it's inception. While NA market and EU market RCFs do not have any provision no drilled holes so no brace/mounting to firewall. Oh, also I just remembered upon reading that, RCF until 2022 has hand polished BBS Forged wheels, from 2023 onwards they are machine polished, yet another cost cutting.
One of the reasons why RCF is heavy, is due to how much Lexus overkilled the rigidity quotient. It has so much metal on the chassis, it is crazy due to the convertible core and then further rigidity everywhere with bracings on the rear subframe, underbody and the front apron (strengtheing the 4GS front end). Lexus had boasted how the RCF will have a convertible version where they will practically need to add zero reinforcements because it is so rigid already without a roof. I believe, in 2022, they revised the underbody bracings, which made the 4-point shock tower brace redundant. Hence, they were removed. Even if it was, it has minimal to no impact to the overall torsional or longitudinal rigidity of the car. I really think we are splitting hairs.

BMW M Motorsport division even though it's on it's last legs (Electric M3 coming soon, and modern M5 is trash and a joke with hybrid powertrain and ugly as hell) puts a ton of bracing even though their cars are not even equipped with a V8 engine but rather I6. Also IS 500 is selling like hotcakes but look it's chassis integrity, it's bobs like crazy if we run high Gs and the rear portion zero strengthening, mentioning this because Lexus as a brand which puts innovation and pursuit of perfection is long gone to sunset, RCF is the last car of it's type and they even gutted it, which is why I'm furious. Heck even Stellantis owned Dodge gives it's chassis bracing with V8 engines, GM Corvette/Camaro as well. This is a high performance Coupe with Racing bred DNA in it (RCF GT3) and it's not good to have such cost cutting shenanigans.
It is always enlightening to hear experiences with your previous IS500 and now RCF. It merely confirms I had known since the IS500 came out. In part, because I also own a 2019 IS350 F-Sport. It is extremely well balanced for the 311 HP it makes. However, it is night/day with my RCF where I simply cannot see it being able to handle an additional nearly 200 HP without having to have serious rework on the chassis and suspension. The RCF is polar opposite where it feels like despite having 500+ HP, the engine still never dominates the experience. The chassis and suspension mask speed where going 90 mph through a turn feel like 50 mph.

Anyway, as @cyberfist0 said, RCF was in production for 11 years, which is somewhat of a miracle since Lexus had zero business case for it to continue production past 5th or 6th year with the sales dwindling etc. The only thing that made it live on for 11 years, is that it was doing so well in racing where Lexus wanted the GT3 homologation to continue until the GR GT3 was ready to replace it in race. In the meanwhile, Lexus made small incremental improvements like the track edition and this final edition also has some enhancements like the differential and the minor re-design in the engine etc. While RCF lost a few things along the way as you mentioned including TVD (which was removed because the electronic e-brake required some re-design and Lexus simply did not want to spend the money on the R&D) and other things, I still believe it is the best performance Lexus ever made this side of the LFA (and objectively, can be argued when it is funny how you know some so-called editors are deliberately and consistent downplaying the things to celebrate so that they could prop up the LC500 and IS500 by padding facts.

Thankfully instead of further butchering the car by stripping it off reducing it's signature and it's history of F, they are giving it a final goodbye. Oh also unlike all model years they finally give the RCF build page a mention of RCF GT3 and how they share the chassis, I archived it here for posterity - https://archive.ph/HE2gu
Thanks for sharing the final edition brochure. I have always mantained the "frankenstein" chassis is one of the best things about the RCF.

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Old Mar 7, 2025 | 08:34 AM
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RC F Final Edition does not appear to have a CF speed activated rear wing.

The brochure does not list it in the CF components. Pictures of the first Final Edition on the showroom does not appear to have a CF speed activated rear wing.

Any reason why Lexus would not include this for the Final Edition?




https://www.tvlexus.com/inventory/ne...p5bc9s5009177/




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Old Mar 7, 2025 | 01:07 PM
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^ That is the speed-activated rear wing above, just in the raised position. Too bad it's not cf, seems like they cheaped out.

You can see the button for it here.


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Old Mar 8, 2025 | 12:43 PM
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No power folding mirrors either and it looks like it only revs to 7100 rpm now. Previous models go to 7300, right? They're cheaping out again. At least the memory seat is back.


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Originally Posted by ItzFilyO
No power folding mirrors either and it looks like it only revs to 7100 rpm now. Previous models go to 7300, right? They're cheaping out again. At least the memory seat is back.
I think according to the USA release it is coming with black power folding mirrors.

https://pressroom.lexus.com/2025-lex...ous-swan-song/




I'm only excited for that because there MIGHT be a glimmer of hope on getting the auto function working for those of us that retro fitted power folding mirrors... I'm not hopeful but if there is a part number now for a new ECM then in theory it could be copied/swapped.. who knows though..lol
I have yet to see any pictures however of the ones being posted in the states that show the driver side mirror controls...

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Yeah, that's what I thought but that Temecula one doesn't appear to have it. It looks like a blank switch on the door. At least the memroy seat came back, they removed it on my 2023. Also, they want 20k on top of sticker price for this 2025.


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Originally Posted by ItzFilyO
Yeah, that's what I thought but that Temecula one doesn't appear to have it. It looks like a blank switch on the door. At least the memroy seat came back, they removed it on my 2023. Also, they want 20k on top of sticker price for this 2025.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Freaking lexus...ROFL. Why am I not suprized...smh.

Appreicate the picture. This is the first I've seen. Welp, that's crazy they would advertise it as power folding mirrors but yet again not have it here in the states....
UNLESS.... they have it so that they automatically fold in when you lock and they decided NOT to include the window switch with the manual/auto fold function... Almost like what they did with the memory seats in that they STILL work with the fob but no longer and option/buttons on the driver side door.... BUT then again, they added the freaking memory buttons back on the door for the last year... so at this point I'm done trying to understand WTF lexus does half the time. *shrugs*


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Originally Posted by ItzFilyO
No power folding mirrors either and it looks like it only revs to 7100 rpm now. Previous models go to 7300, right? They're cheaping out again. At least the memory seat is back.


RC F specs document always listed 472HP@7100RPM. I think whoever put the specifications got that from the document but they did not knew about redline and max power engine cutoff rpm. They should have mentioned correct redline.
Since 2015 the 2UR-GSE RCF press kits always highlight 7100RPM only.

The redline is 7300RPM, Once we hit redline the fuel cuts off, part of rev-limiter functionality / design to make engine not go boom. So at that point of 7300 redline, there's no more power delivery, that's the reason why 7100RPM is where engine gets its full power.

As for auto close mirrors that's really stupid. Damnit. IS 500 has same auto close like this implementation (no buttons), 2024 MY onwards. Why cannot these clowns at TMC, Texas HQ in USA do proper justice for this model, esp when JDM RC F gets it. Texas HQ C Suites are to blame for these blunders, I presume they pressed TMC Japan to remove the TVD as well, esp when Yaguchi left the F division in 2020 after facelift. No more old talent left, this is like Nintendo case, Shigeru Miyamoto and Iwata were the pillars of Nintendo, after Iwata passed away Miyamoto is just an advisory role, look at garbage games they make today. Lexus is also same. Once the old guard is gone from Japanese engineering teams, North American hacks will strip off the vehicle for $$$ and margins. Which is where all the features got cut off from RCF.

I will again mention all removed and added features.

- Electrochromic side mirrors (2022+)
- Auto tilt down function for side mirrors (2022+, EU and JDM always get this)
- Lexus memory (2022+, EU and JDM always get this option)
- TVD (2023+)
- Engine Strut brace (2023+, JDM only gets this now, provision to install a brace exists but they do not install the braces anymore)
- Bespoke RC F dash (2023+)
- Interior lighting (2020+)
- USDM Special, since 2015 to 2025 no Auto-close mirrors, EU, JDM always get it.
+ Touchscreen from IS since the new 2023+ dash from IS
+ E-Brake 2023+

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Thanks for the rundown of the removed features, Do you know if this is USM specific? Or apply to Canadian RC-F's as well?
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Originally Posted by cyberfist0
Thanks for the rundown of the removed features, Do you know if this is USM specific? Or apply to Canadian RC-F's as well?
I checked Lexus.ca and it seems like the spoiler is standard painted. Though, it does have carbon fiber roof, front spoilter, rear diffuser, side skirts. For some odd reason, the rear spoiler is not carbon fiber.
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