Help me decide
Hello again Lexus friends,
I am considering joining the family again. Few years ago I own a IS250 and altho I liked the car a lot I really had buyer remorse of being too slow. It always frustrated me. I decided to downsize to a 2 seater and get a Porsche Boxster, I have this car now for almost 3 years. The car is a blast to drive, really the best handling, like a go cart.it's been my daily driver and no problems. it sits to 46k miles today and it's a 2009. Turns out I'll need a rear seat pretty soon and I really came down to 2 options: Lexus RC350 or BMW 435i I test drove both and can't really decide yes. BMW435i has a really good engine, good torque, great transmission. Interior look really old and not very premium. the dealership is really sad and arrogant. Lexus RC350 - love the style, the interior, the quality of materials. It felt heavy and slow. the transmission is nothing close to BMW as that marketing "speed limiter" use to drive me nuts. The dealership is the best ever and the reliability give me peace in mind. In a ideal world i'll be happy with a Lexus body and BMW engine and transmission: Money wise Lexus if few thousands more than a BMW from what I see. Help me decide. I know it is biased as I'll get different response in a BMW forum but might bring points i didn;t think of. What you like, why you chose it, what you can;t stand, any buyer remorse, are you planning on getting something different? Thanks |
Does it have to be a coupe?
The IS is lighter with the same engine and handles better since its chassis was specifically engineered as opposed to the RC’s which is made of 3 cars. |
I recently bought a low mileage RC350 FSport. I don't lease because I put ~30K miles a year on my cars. I did a lot of research on different makes and models. BMW was one of them. I ruled out the BMW's after talking to one of my coworkers about his. BMW puts electric motor water pumps with plastic impellers in all their cars now. Apparently they will fail or must be replaced by 90K miles and are very expensive to buy & install.
Another key feature I wanted to avoid was the electronic push button emergency brake. I am of the opinion that an E brake should be pure mechanical and not electrical at all. The RC350 has an old school mechanical E brake. I could have gone after other makes / models that are faster. I avoid VW (had a turbo diesel Jetta and the turbo went out right before selling it back). The way the turbo failed was due to poor design. That carries over to Audi as well. I really like the way the RC350 looks and drives. Yes it not a light car. Compare the IS and RC 0-60 times https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicl...-60-mph-times/ Does it matter if the BMW is ~1 second faster from 0-60? For me, there were too many things that made the RC350 a better car. All that really matters is if you are happy and like what you drive. |
By "rear seat" do you mean one that simply exists or one that a human being could actually occupy?
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Originally Posted by Rudiculous
(Post 10027494)
Does it have to be a coupe?
The IS is lighter with the same engine and handles better since its chassis was specifically engineered as opposed to the RC €™s which is made of 3 cars.
Originally Posted by 15RC350F
(Post 10027982)
By "rear seat" do you mean one that simply exists or one that a human being could actually occupy?
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Originally Posted by louczar
(Post 10027967)
I recently bought a low mileage RC350 FSport. I don't lease because I put ~30K miles a year on my cars. I did a lot of research on different makes and models. BMW was one of them. I ruled out the BMW's after talking to one of my coworkers about his. BMW puts electric motor water pumps with plastic impellers in all their cars now. Apparently they will fail or must be replaced by 90K miles and are very expensive to buy & install.
Another key feature I wanted to avoid was the electronic push button emergency brake. I am of the opinion that an E brake should be pure mechanical and not electrical at all. The RC350 has an old school mechanical E brake. I could have gone after other makes / models that are faster. I avoid VW (had a turbo diesel Jetta and the turbo went out right before selling it back). The way the turbo failed was due to poor design. That carries over to Audi as well. I really like the way the RC350 looks and drives. Yes it not a light car. Compare the IS and RC 0-60 times https://www.zeroto60times.com/vehicl...-60-mph-times/ Does it matter if the BMW is ~1 second faster from 0-60? For me, there were too many things that made the RC350 a better car. All that really matters is if you are happy and like what you drive. I agree with the reliability peace in mind Lexus has over BMW but doing my research the 4 series doesn;t look like it has any major problems. Not sure if the reliability has improved with BMW lately. The Lexus felt a bit slow during my test drive probably because low end torque. One other question I have is there a bike rack for RC, either roof or hitch? |
Originally Posted by keyframe13
(Post 10028022)
Thanks for your input louczar. If the water pump fails at 90k I'll say it's not a big deal.. it's kinda normal to replace it by 100k.
I agree with the reliability peace in mind Lexus has over BMW but doing my research the 4 series doesn;t look like it has any major problems. Not sure if the reliability has improved with BMW lately. The Lexus felt a bit slow during my test drive probably because low end torque. One other question I have is there a bike rack for RC, either roof or hitch? BMW 4/M4:
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I'm not sure he was looking for a RCF. He mentioned the RC350. But, Thank you Uda880 for the very nice breakdown comparison of the RCF vs the bmw 4 series!!!
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Originally Posted by Uda880
(Post 10028164)
I was considering the same thing before I got my F. Here's my high level breakdown at the time, please remember that this focuses on the differences, and not the similarities between the two cars (mpg, lack of rear seat space, etc):
BMW 4/M4:
I'll try to go this weekend and test drive both of them again. |
Originally Posted by louczar
(Post 10028333)
I'm not sure he was looking for a RCF. He mentioned the RC350. But, Thank you Uda880 for the very nice breakdown comparison of the RCF vs the bmw 4 series!!!
Originally Posted by keyframe13
(Post 10028355)
Thank you for your input Uda880. Not looking for the RCF, just an RC350 but most of your points apply i guess. The problem is that'll I'll be probably happy with the acceleration of an RCF but my worries are that I might find the RC350 too slow. In a text drive you can't really get a good feel for it.
I'll try to go this weekend and test drive both of them again. |
I personally just got out of my RC350 into a 4 Series and will be picking up a 340i next month. The beemer just drives way better than the RC, the power, and the handling straight from factory is on point. I'm not planning to own anything long term at the moment so I don't really care about BMW warranty and issue as I'll be switching it out after 3 years. Now if I were to own long term. I'll drive a honda till I'm ready to into the German cars again. Lexus is nice, I love everything about it except for the power and handling. Lexus really need to step it up.
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IMO: as mentioned go with what you have a passion to drive :thumbup: I wanted a car that you do not see on the road everyday.... in my area BMW/Mercs are a dime a dozen. So the RC 350 F-sport made sense and for all the reasons mentioned.
Although already planning to move to an RCF and/or LC500 in 3-years (love the V8) :cool: |
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