Is a 2JZ-GTE swap truly worth it? Your thoughts are appreciated.
12-21-10, 10:59 AM
#166
not the VVTI GE motor ,the pistons and rods are only good for 450 RWHP at best. I went GTE for a few reasons, better resale value, it's hard to sell a car with a GE motor. I like having the oil feeds on the turbo side, and I like the GT intake manifold. Not to mention the GTE is much cleaner looking.
12-21-10, 11:05 AM
#167
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ED alot of the guys don't understand, of of the guys even started bashing me lol on this thread i guess maybe because i don't post in the GS section that much i will say this again 8.5.1 is old technology maybe 1990.
Check my sig for the new setup, i always wanna try something new 10.5.1 C.R and 30lbs.
I will post the results.
Adam i understand where you are coming from, i still can't justify spending 1800 -2000 on a used engine and then i might end up having to rebuild it.
I refuse to do that, we are all different you might thinking what i said doesn't make any sense.
Check my sig for the new setup, i always wanna try something new 10.5.1 C.R and 30lbs.
I will post the results.
Adam i understand where you are coming from, i still can't justify spending 1800 -2000 on a used engine and then i might end up having to rebuild it.
I refuse to do that, we are all different you might thinking what i said doesn't make any sense.
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12-21-10, 01:29 PM
#169
I don't know about 10.5:1 compression, Darin is my tuner and he had the 2JZGTE Supra 6 speed record for over 2 years with low 8's @ 170+. He doesn't run 10.5:1, he told me to buy 9:1 pistons for more low end on the street however the cars making 1200RWHP+ are all sub 9:1 compression.
12-21-10, 01:57 PM
#171
read my previous posts in this thread, I'm sick of saying the same thing over and over.
The GE that comes in our cars (VVTi) is not capable of high reliable hp.
bottom line is, it doesn't matter how sweet your GE setup runs...it's proven time and time again that the GTE is more capable of big power and more reliable than a boosted GE. You can run 800whp in a stock GTE vs having to crack the factory seal and rebuild a GE to handle power reliably.
The GE that comes in our cars (VVTi) is not capable of high reliable hp.
bottom line is, it doesn't matter how sweet your GE setup runs...it's proven time and time again that the GTE is more capable of big power and more reliable than a boosted GE. You can run 800whp in a stock GTE vs having to crack the factory seal and rebuild a GE to handle power reliably.
12-21-10, 02:09 PM
#172
read my previous posts in this thread, I'm sick of saying the same thing over and over.
The GE that comes in our cars (VVTi) is not capable of high reliable hp.
bottom line is, it doesn't matter how sweet your GE setup runs...it's proven time and time again that the GTE is more capable of big power and more reliable than a boosted GE. You can run 800whp in a stock GTE vs having to crack the factory seal and rebuild a GE to handle power reliably.
The GE that comes in our cars (VVTi) is not capable of high reliable hp.
bottom line is, it doesn't matter how sweet your GE setup runs...it's proven time and time again that the GTE is more capable of big power and more reliable than a boosted GE. You can run 800whp in a stock GTE vs having to crack the factory seal and rebuild a GE to handle power reliably.
vvti can be just fine just swap rods pistons are made the same as non vvti and gte , they are made using same material..why would a gte be more capable of say 750 rwhp then a boosted ge .. answer me that .. both at that level requires the same fueling , same timing so tell me please whaqt is different ...why would you need to build a ge , cracking open only means swapping hg .. i never changed any pistons , rods or bearings
do what you wish but i have seen more blown gte setups than na-t setups when tuned properly...i cant see buying a used gte to only have to rebuild it anyways
12-21-10, 02:24 PM
#173
I don't know about 10.5:1 compression, Darin is my tuner and he had the 2JZGTE Supra 6 speed record for over 2 years with low 8's @ 170+. He doesn't run 10.5:1, he told me to buy 9:1 pistons for more low end on the street however the cars making 1200RWHP+ are all sub 9:1 compression.
on my setup at 19psi making 592 rwhp we saw zero , i mean zero knock anywhere during any pull.. i love the fact that it would do a easy 700rwhp on 110 oct at no more than 25psi tops.. i dont see any gte on a t67 doing that....
in fact the supra that ran 246mph making around 1300rwhp is in fact running a built ge block at 9:8:1 compression, dave h is making 1100rwhp at a tad over 10:0:1 compression
its all about tuning and proper supporting mods
12-21-10, 02:42 PM
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read my previous posts in this thread, I'm sick of saying the same thing over and over.
The GE that comes in our cars (VVTi) is not capable of high reliable hp.
bottom line is, it doesn't matter how sweet your GE setup runs...it's proven time and time again that the GTE is more capable of big power and more reliable than a boosted GE. You can run 800whp in a stock GTE vs having to crack the factory seal and rebuild a GE to handle power reliably.
The GE that comes in our cars (VVTi) is not capable of high reliable hp.
bottom line is, it doesn't matter how sweet your GE setup runs...it's proven time and time again that the GTE is more capable of big power and more reliable than a boosted GE. You can run 800whp in a stock GTE vs having to crack the factory seal and rebuild a GE to handle power reliably.
bottom line is, it doesn't matter how sweet your GE setup runs...it's proven time and time again that the GTE is more capable of big power and more reliable than a boosted GE. You can run 800whp in a stock GTE vs having to crack the factory seal and rebuild a GE to handle power reliably.[/QUOTE]
^That's not thru my friend but believe what you want, i don't believe and lot of other members know that your post is BS.
12-21-10, 05:07 PM
#175
wrong info
vvti can be just fine just swap rods pistons are made the same as non vvti and gte , they are made using same material..why would a gte be more capable of say 750 rwhp then a boosted ge .. answer me that .. both at that level requires the same fueling , same timing so tell me please whaqt is different ...why would you need to build a ge , cracking open only means swapping hg .. i never changed any pistons , rods or bearings
do what you wish but i have seen more blown gte setups than na-t setups when tuned properly...i cant see buying a used gte to only have to rebuild it anyways
vvti can be just fine just swap rods pistons are made the same as non vvti and gte , they are made using same material..why would a gte be more capable of say 750 rwhp then a boosted ge .. answer me that .. both at that level requires the same fueling , same timing so tell me please whaqt is different ...why would you need to build a ge , cracking open only means swapping hg .. i never changed any pistons , rods or bearings
do what you wish but i have seen more blown gte setups than na-t setups when tuned properly...i cant see buying a used gte to only have to rebuild it anyways
You have obviously never pulled a VVTi GE apart. They do not have the same rods and pistons as the non VVTi GE. VVTi GE's are ELEV engines, as stated prior.
GTE's also have oil squirters.
12-21-10, 05:15 PM
#176
Dude why are taking it so serious? it's not that serious!
bottom line is, it doesn't matter how sweet your GE setup runs...it's proven time and time again that the GTE is more capable of big power and more reliable than a boosted GE. You can run 800whp in a stock GTE vs having to crack the factory seal and rebuild a GE to handle power reliably.
^That's not thru my friend but believe what you want, i don't believe and lot of other members know that your post is BS.
bottom line is, it doesn't matter how sweet your GE setup runs...it's proven time and time again that the GTE is more capable of big power and more reliable than a boosted GE. You can run 800whp in a stock GTE vs having to crack the factory seal and rebuild a GE to handle power reliably.
^That's not thru my friend but believe what you want, i don't believe and lot of other members know that your post is BS.
Our One Lap Supra has ran on the same GTE engine for 15 years daily driven, raced in One lap of America for 6 of those 15 years @ over 650whp. I'd like to see an NA-T do that.
12-21-10, 07:16 PM
#178
theres nothing to reread as i have actually torn into these motors..
we can agree to disagree for i for one have a very potent na-t setup made just as stout as any gte so your replies are pointless for either route works just the same , just different approaches
12-21-10, 08:55 PM
#179
you're wrong. VVTi GE's and non VVTi GE's are completely different.
Your NA-T setup is not stout like any GTE. Run for 6 years straight in One Lap of America driving the car down from Canada to ALL of the US race tracks, finish top 10 everytime and then talk to me about reliability. Your NA-T wouldn't be able to handle a tenth of the abuse that I put GTE's through day in and day out.
ELEV engines are definitely not comparable in terms of reliability to the GTE.
Paper thin ringlands, dinky rods, no oil squirters on the pistons, smaller coolant jackets in the head, high compression, thinner head gasket + boost = just as reliable as GTE? I think not.
It's designed to be NA, if it was just as good in terms of reliability why would Toyota use a different setup on the GTE?
This is not opinion..it's fact.
Unless of course you're saying that Toyota's engineers are wrong? They could have saved millions of dollars on R&D if they had your insight....
Paper thin ringlands, dinky rods, no oil squirters on the pistons, smaller coolant jackets in the head, high compression, thinner head gasket + boost = just as reliable as GTE? I think not.
It's designed to be NA, if it was just as good in terms of reliability why would Toyota use a different setup on the GTE?
This is not opinion..it's fact.
Unless of course you're saying that Toyota's engineers are wrong? They could have saved millions of dollars on R&D if they had your insight....
Your NA-T setup is not stout like any GTE. Run for 6 years straight in One Lap of America driving the car down from Canada to ALL of the US race tracks, finish top 10 everytime and then talk to me about reliability. Your NA-T wouldn't be able to handle a tenth of the abuse that I put GTE's through day in and day out.
