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Old 08-24-07, 10:53 AM
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I'll be working on compiling all the swap info I can find. Some will be just links to other threads, some will be quotes pertaining to the unique issues of an sc400 swap as opposed to an SC300 swap. I'm also going to work on getting a pretty concise parts & price list together.

Any help will be appreciated, but the main goal is to localize a lot of the info for those about to embark on this swap (such as myself). Feel free to correct any information, and I will update the post that pertains to it.



what is different between the sc400 and sc300 in relation to the swap?

>Those doing a 300 swap can use their existing motor mounts, though with a 400 you need either the 1jz motor mounts or the 2jz motor mounts from an sc300.

>The gauge cluster will read wrong with either, but swapping in an sc300 cluster and jumping a resistor will clear the tach issue.


As for the speedo, an MSD speedo converter should work (part number and confirmation needed)

what drive shaft do I need?

A soarer driveshaft, will work, though it is hard to find. An sc300 driveshaft with some custom work will do as well (confirmation and specifics needed)

what throttle cables do I need?
MKIV Supra or Camry throttle cable are said to work (specifics and confirmation needed)

how do I make the gauges work correctly?

Swapping in an sc300 cluster and jumping a resistor is said to work.
jumped resistor r109 or what ever it was, hooked up the black wire on the orange plug (Ik2) to the tach signal wire from the 1jz ignitor, and voila! tach works!
(thanks audi2nr)

Questions we need answered

I'm looking for some information about:
intercooler sizing.
Info about walbro vs mark IV fuel pump.
Fuel line information (since you need at least some)
Battery relocation
A definite answer about if you need to swap radiators, and sizing.
Information on keeping AC.
Electric fan information (though not necessary for the swap)
Reliability alterations that are good to do while doing the swap (oil cooler, etc).
Making a step by step (not down to nut and bolt) directions for the swap. Especially the 'prep work' like lengthening the harness.
And of course anything else you can think of.

Feel free to PM me or IM me (mattsegunm = my aim) so we can work on getting this winnowed into the ultimate swap thread.

Some more technical questions
- Air Bag light was staying on all the time (key on or off). The cluster was always plugged in when the battery was connected. I have the bulb pulled until I get it figured out.
- The 1jz auto trans is momentarily bouncing off of the rev limiter when shifting at WOT. Sounds like a machine gun. Does it for about a third of a second on the 1-2 and 2-3 upshifts.

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Space reserved for when I get some pictures and PDFs together.

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Electronics and tuning:

Power FC base map.
http://supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=349678

1jz (may or maynot be MKIII supra specific) codes.
http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/TechTi...ror_codes.aspx

Phoenix Tuning's help and harness modification services:
http://www.phoenixtuning.com/

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Dispelling Myths:

There is no need to upgrade to a 2jzgte MAP sensor: They both are 2.3bar.
(from SupraMania)


Feel free to add more

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Parts and approx prices

1jz-GTE motor/ECU/Auto Tranny
$700-1600

Front Mount Intercooler and Piping
$200-2000+

Fuel Pump (Walbro or MKIV pump info needed)
$75-100

SC300 Gauge cluster $100-$300

Fuel cut Defenser ~$0-100 (you can DIY it)

Speed limiter removal $0-150 (looking for more information on this)

Drive Shaft (sc300 drive shaft) $80-$300

Speedometer converter $150 (need more info/part number)
Found this: http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/store...=10001&Ntk=all

Fuel lines ~$100 (need information on size and amount)

Intake & Air Filter ~$50, though many things work, it can be cheaper or more expensive. (this is because you remove the factory air box to get to the FMIC pop out plate to use when installing your FMIC)

Exhaust ~$50 to get the 1jzgte Downpipe to mate to the Y pipe including cutting up the existing flanges. Upwards of $1200 for soarer (or MKIV) turbo back exhaust.

Ignitor for 1jzgte $100-$150 (for most of those that just got a motor/tranny/ecu and not a clip). If anyone has a good source that would be appreciated.... found mine on supra forums.

Remember fluids after your swap add another ~$40-70 or so between oil, coolant, power steering fluid, and refrigerant. Also make sure you have them handy.


More to come

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How to actually do the swap!
Originally Posted by jm94tt
As far as bolting the motor in and ancillaries you will need:

-Sc300 or soarer motor mount isolators, the top bolts on the 1uzfe mounts are tilted in at about 25 degrees to meet the aluminum brackets. The inline 6 mounts are vertical. You can use the 1jz aluminum brackets if they were included, or get some sc300 brackets.

-sc300 or soarer transmission mount isolator. The 1uzfe isolator is about 15mm taller than the 6 cylinder. I used 98 supra TT motor mounts and a 1jz specific transmission mount, purchased from Champion Toyota. They stock many 1jz specific parts.

- I bought a complete engine gasket set, including the valve stem seals which IMHO you should definitely change while the motor is out, a timing belt, serpentine belt, p/s pump rebuild set, radiator hoses, water pump, t-stat, for about 400 bucks from Champion. Not to shabby, if I must say.

- Use an SC300 driveshaft. Or just the rear half of the 400 shaft and the front half of the 300.

-If you are using the Soarer side mount intercooler, you cannot use the sc400 radiator. The flat intercooler pipe that runs along the bottom of the engine bay will interfere with the lower radiator hose outlet. I would recommend a sc300 radiator and coolant overflow as you will be able to keep your battery under the hood. Front mounts should be able to use the 400 radiator with overflow and possible battery relocation.

- Supra TT upper and lower radiator hoses work. Cut and make your own heater hoses.

-Use your sc400 power steering reservoir. Bend the brackets that are spot welded from the factory to fit the contour of your fuse box, drill 2 holes in the fuse box and bolt the reservoir to the fuse box. Mine seems pretty sturdy and looks semi-factory.

- It is possible to use the SC400 high pressure power steering hose but you will have to modify it a bit. At the rack, the hose is positioned when bolting it down with a small tab. If you loosen the bolt that holds the high pressure hose to the rack, you can rotate the hose until the locating tab is out of the way and point the hose towards the front of the car instead of towards the pass side where the v8 power steering pump is. You will have to curve the flexible section beside the radiator, against the drivers side frame rail, under the battery tray, and it will bolt to the 1jz power steering pump. To get enough clearance between the power steering pump pulley and the hard line of the high pressure pump I had to very gently bend the line to where I wanted it. If you kink or pinch the line, it is toast. This is one way to do it, not really the right way. Will it work? Yes it does and mine does not leak. Am I going to change it? ASAP.

-AC lines. You need the flexible hoses off of an sc300 compressor as well as the hard lines that run from the firewall to under the radiator fan. You can get the sc400 lines to fit pretty well, but guess what... there is no low pressure fitting on the sc400 lines as it is on the compressor.

-Fuel lines.... Here is what I have done, call it ghetto or whatever but it works fine and does not leak. Use the female NPT threaded fitting and some of the hose off of the sc400 motor combined with the cut portion that came with the motor set. Spliced together with a 5/16 brass barbed fitting, which has the same inner diameter as the hose. It is a ***** to get the hoses on but you can do it. Clamp the hose over the barbed section. Return hose = high pressure fuel line from the auto parts store, 1/4" I think.

-Throttle cable: You can use the sc400 throttle cable, it's tight, but works pretty well if you cut some of the rubber cushion away inside the cabin behind the gas pedal. I used an 95 4cyl Camry cable from the junkyard. It gives about 2.5-3" more to play with.

-I used the sc400 cruise actuator in conjunction with the 1jz cruise cable. It is tight around the intercooler pipe that goes into the fender but works.

-Exhaust... I cut the flange off of the stock 1jz downpipe, plasma cut it out to 3" diameter, bought a 3" aluminized steel mandrel U-bend, 4' of 3" aluminized steel tubing, a pair of cheapo 3" header flanges, a 3" in to dual 2.5" out y pipe, (2) 4' sections of 2.5" aluminized steel tubing, and a 2.5" mandrel U-bend from the muscle car guys at Summit Racing, and a pair of $24 N1 cans off of fleabay. Made some pie cuts out of the U-bends and mig welded everything together. Total cost= about $120. Yeah I wouldn't show it off and it's annoyingly loud but it will do fine until the ceramic twins take a dump.

-Extra: Don't throw away the heat exchanger behind your driver's side front bumper that the V8 uses to cool the hydro fan. Buy 6' of 3/8" ATF transmission hose and plumb that bad boy in line with the radiator's transmission cooling lines. Gains are probably marginal, but it has to help a little.


Section 2: Wiring

-Extend the 5 body harness plugs blah blah blah you have heard it before. I extended mine 24" and that is a bit much, i would say 18-20" would be good and still leave a good amount of slack.

-Extend the plugs in the engine bay to reach the power steering rack, and the heater control valve if needed.

-Use the body plug for the alternator, wrap the one on the engine harness with electrical tape and tie it out of the way.

-Move the blue and yellow wire on the white female body side plug to the female orange body( i think it is IK24) side plug so that when the 1jz side body plug with the blue/yellow wire is inserted the blue/yellow wires connect. This will get the Check engine light working.

-To make your temp gauge work, ground pin 24 on the same white plug on the body side(IK2). It is a brown/black wire between a pink and a black wire. I t-tapped into the brown/black wire and used the body ground behind the kick panel.

-There are two thicker black/orange wires on the larger gray plug coming from the engine that supply power to the igniter and injectors. You will need to find a good "switched" 12V source to power these, as they don't recieve any power from the sc400 body. I broke out the multimeter and found an unused by the 1jz pin that had a good 12v switched signal and spliced these two into it.

-I had to do the 12V mod at the fuel pump ECU to get the car to start. There are two thicker wires at the fuel pump ECU, (1)Green and (1)Black/Red14 GA. Cut these 2 and connect them. Insulate them well. The thread for this is here: https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=291189

-You can do the R109 resistor mod on the back of the cluster to get a tach signal to the cluster, but it will read 1000 rpms or better higher than it really is. My car will bury the tach needle before shifting at WOT. Get an sc300 cluster.

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Other helpful Threads:
SC300 swap guide (great thread)
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=152641

1jzgte swap parts buy thread
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=196388

Project Lex's wiring diagrams (another great thread)
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=301496

How long did it take to do the swap?
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=277036
(Geared toward SC300's)

A few random bits about the sc400 swap:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=302164

Another random sc400 swap/performance thread:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=267989

12v Fuel Mod:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=291189

Changing transmission mounts:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=196089

Auto to 6speed conversion (written for a MKIV supra, but a lot of usable info here)
http://mkiv.com/techarticles/auto_to...wap/index.html

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1JZGTE Parts & Resources.

Word is any of these timing belts will work (rather than dropping 150 on a greddy one:
GATES part# T147
ACDELCO part# 17550
SEALED POWER part# 222147
BECK/ARNLEY part# 0260245
CLOYES part# B147


JDM part numbers:
The intake valve stem seals are part number 90913-02123.

The exhaust valve stem seals are part number 90913-02088.

Front Crank Seal: 90311-46001
Rear Main Seal: 90311-90006

JDM 1JZGTE Part Numbers Provided by 935Motorsports
13568-49025 Timing Belt
13505-46020 Timing Belt Idler
13540-46012 Timing Belt Tensioner superceded by Part Number 13540-46030
90311-38041 Camshaft Seal
90916-02308 Serpentine Belt
List of parts that you can buy at your local CSK for your 1j.
http://www.1jzgte.com/1jzkragen.htm

1 jz gte . us web archive. Lots of good info. (remove spaces)
http://web.archive.org/web/200603231.../92Supra6.html

Lots of random stuff tucked in here. Most of which is very technical. (pinouts, etc)
http://www.trackdaymedia.com/~manny/Tech%20&%20Diag/

Places that carry 1jzgte stuff for a bargain:
https://935motorsports.com/catalog/a...ds=1jz&x=0&y=0

Places that carry 1jzgte stuff (albeit pricey):
http://www.titanmotorsports.com/1jzgtesection.html
http://www.manictechracing.com/1jzgteparts.html
http://www.suprastore.com/1jzgteparts.html

1jz alternator:
I noticed many references to the MKIV alternator being a direct swap into the 1JZ. It isn't really a direct swap since the plugs on the alternator are different. I accidentally broke my alternator playing around with it (don't ask), so I did a little research on a replacement. Oddly enough, the alternator from a 1992-1994 SC300 only, not 400, is a direct replacement for the 1JZ. It's a perfect fit, and the plugs are identical, so there's no cutting involved. Just plug and play. The best part? The SC300 alternator is a 110 amp alternator. Oh and another great part? I paid $130 with tax for it, lifetime warranty from Lexus. How about that? Funny that the Lexus part ended up being cheaper than the Toyota part. Anyhow, I thought I'd pass along my experience in finding a direct swap for the 1JZ alternator. -HammsMKIII
FROM SUPRA MANIA
Common parts between the 2JZ and 1JZ
- Power steering pump
- Alternator
- Spark plugs (ngk 3330 and 6097)
- US spec 550cc injectors (resistor pack needed)
- JDM Spec 440cc injectors (drop in upgrade)
- Water Pump (requires removal of the 1J hydro fan and a 2J pulley)
- Head gasket (although most other gaskets do not swap, get a 1J set to do it right)
- Clutch fan (if you use a MKIV water pump and pulley)
- Serpentine belt (but NOT timing belt - see below)
- Oil filter and relocation kits
- Intercooler kits
- Plug coils
- Cam gears (incl aftermarket adjustable)
- JDM 2JZ Map sensor
- Ignitor I would like some more info on this
(edit: some more added info)
1) The rod and main bearings.
2) The head bolts, crank and rod bolts from stock or ARP either bolts or studs w/nuts.
3) The pistons including the wrist pins, wrings and locks.
4) The head gasket, stock or aftermarket.
5) stock side feed or after market side feed high ohm injectors. Low ohm injectors require wiring in the 7M or preferably 2JZ injector resistor pack.
6) Water pump and housing when replacing the hydro fan to electric or clutch fan.
7) Cams are normally not interchangeable with out some grinding on the 2JZ cam and having it spun balanced, HKS, Jun and Blitz all make 256, 264, and 272 cams for the 1JZ.
8) Cam shims, springs, retainers, Valves and springs, along with buckets are interchangeable.
9) turbos are not directly interchangeable and require a degree of machining to swap out the 12As for 12b.
The list will be updated as I remember and acquire more info.
Identifying rev 1 or 2 1jz's (possibly useless)
http://www.autosoftsys.com/supra/pics/newstylesml.jpg


Other 1J For Sale or Wanted sites:
Supra Forums:
http://supraforums.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=128

Supra Mania:
http://www.supramania.com/forums/for...prune=30&f=117



Where to buy 1jzgte motors, clips, and trannys
-Be careful to research each vendor. This isn't an endorsement.
http://www.jdm-online.com/
http://www.jhotimports.com/
http://www.tigerjapanese.com/
http://www.venus-auto.com/

ClubLexus.com for parts...obviously
I've purchased 3 parts from Aliga now, and the parts have been shipped promptly, for a great price, with good communication.

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Why do you keep reserving spaces?
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^ DIY Writeup?

Or maybe where he's from spaces are hard to find
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Subscribed. I love what you're doing here.

I wish everyone would compile their efforts like this so people really know ahead of time what they are getting into.



Drive shaft is nowhere near that much $, although perhaps a fabricated one would run that high. I know a 92 is the earliest year Camry throttle cable that works and I think it was the same TC until 96 but I would have to dig to reconfirm that.

91 Camry casing length is 49 inches
95 Camry casing length is 24 inches

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=285515
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By the casing lengths which is the one that would be the better fit?

Also, I haven't had a drive shaft made, but I know getting one shortened usually runs about $75 bucks here.. so I figured $200 for one spliced together, and maybe $500 (with shipping) for a carbon soarer DS.

As for the spaces, I didn't know the max length for a post on CL, and having random replies between the core content hurts continuity. Plus I think this thread will be a work in progress for a few months, including a lot more info.

Just tryin to help
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Subscribed!!! Hopefully sc250tt will chime in, he's done 2 swaps so far.
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The Big Bad 1jz


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much props for this, hopefully in the near future i can turn to this thread for any/all of my questions concerning the SC4 1jz swap.


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