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Old 01-30-19, 11:33 AM
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I've owned a 2016 NX200t for about 2 1/2 years now, so its time to start thinking about my next car. Here are the main reasons that it will not be another NX:
- dirt and snow and gunk buildup on the bottom of the doors -- this is such a stupid design flaw
- stupid user interface for the menu and controls for audio, etc -- now even worse in the new models with the ridiculous touchpad
- cheap sounding "clunk" coming from the gas cap when the doors locks are engaged - this is a 40 thousand dollar car!
- torque steer (eventhough I have the AWD version)
- heated steering wheel is not heated all the way around ... ???
- the small "screen" is plunked onto the center of the dash and looks like a last-minute add-on (not integrated into the dash like some competitors cars) - looks cheap and poorly thought out
- outside mirrors rattle - seem very loosely attached
- cruise control lever - poor design -- this should be integrated into the steering wheel like on most competitors cars
- the 4-cyl turbo is "gut-less"
- this is 2019 - why does the car think I am connecting an "ipod" (its an iPhone)
- constantly hitting the voice command button when turning corners and having to say "cancel" "cancel" .... "cancel"
- small sunroof (compared to competitors cars)
- lack of color choices for paint - do we really need more silver / grey / white / black cars ??
- road noise
- dumb little box to jam sunglasses into

I'm sure I can think of more, but these are the main reasons that Lexus has failed with this car.

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Old 01-30-19, 11:58 AM
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Interesting observations, you seem pretty upset...

No vehicle is perfect. I agree on the heated wheel and sunroof.

I would note that most cars are adding the display that sits on top of the dash. A lot of the suvs I test drove had a similar design. (RDX, Q5, Santa Fe)

Not sure what you mean by remote touchpad on new models. The 2016 and 2019 both have the same interface although the display was enlarged and the touchpad was refreshed for 2018.

I havenít experienced the mirror rattle, gas door lock issue or voice command accidental pressing.

The iPod and cruise control issue seems very nit picky.

I donít find the engine to be gutless. Wouldnít you figure this out during the test drive?
It seems pretty peppy in Sport+ mode.

Did you drive something that you felt was much better? What will you buy next?
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yes I agree I am picky! my current car has a "****" not a touchpad. the newer cars have the touchpad which i consider to be a poor way to navigate the screen
regarding "sport" mode - why can't this be a default setting ? why do i have to choose it every time i start the car ?
not sure about my next car yet, but probably a used BMW X4
here is a photo of the 2018 dash - with properly integrated display screen.
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I test drove a used 2016NX and it had a touchpad. Does yours have navigation?
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nope. I find navigation systems useless and out of date - compared to Google maps on my iPhone
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nope. I find navigation systems useless and out of date - compared to Google maps on my iPhone
Fair enough but this would explain the difference in controls. Non-Nav must not have utilized the remote touch interface.

I would also agree that many Nav systems are not great but the Lexus Nav in my 2019 is actually solid and updated regularly.
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NAV "updated regularly" << how ? and is this free updates as long as you own the car ?
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Nothing beats phone and G Maps or Waze. Factory nav is gimmick to charge more.
OP, you WILL have toque steer on any car that has transverse located engine. There is nothing you can do about it. The only option is RWD car or Subaru, as it has symmetric AWD.
That said, I absolutely agree with you. For the price, and I could add my litany of what I do not like about it - it could have been a much better vehicle. If not for $15K purchase I just did, I'd have rid of mine too. It's not what I expect from Lexus. I called it "quick job" from Lexus, riding RAV4 success. They just really wanted to make something similar in Lexus department, so they slapped that car together. It is not well thought through at all. Simply sit and look at appointments and center dash. There is no logic or ergonomics in it. Only craving for angles and forms. Design over function.
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I think BMW (maybe others) that put 60% of power to rear wheels / 40% to front -- more of a "true" AWD will not experience "torque steer"
totally agree about NAV systems being a gimmick (IMO). Google maps updates several times a year for free.
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NAV "updated regularly" << how ? and is this free updates as long as you own the car ?
Dynamic Navigation. Updated over the air for 3 years.
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Dynamic Navigation. Updated over the air for 3 years.
interesting ! good for the original owner for sure
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I guess I'm not as picky. Any car will have its pros and cons. For me, the NX is mostly pro.
On the plus side:
  • I purposely did not get the nav because I find the touchpad interface distracting.
  • No cheap sounding "clunk" coming from the gas cap when the doors locks are engaged. I'm not sure if the automatic door-locking function can be turned off.
  • No problem with the cruise-control lever.
  • Sun-roof size is fine for me.
  • I have noticed torque steer on a few occasions, but I'm well aware of the conditions that cause it.
  • Heated steering wheel is heated in the right places for how I drive.
  • Most cars I've seen have screens perched on top of the dashboard.
  • I've never accidentally hit the voice-control button.
  • The 235 hp is adequate for me, and Sport Mode makes the most of it.
  • My car knows the difference between an iPod and an iPhone.

The cons:
  • Slush accumulation under the door. I agree: terrible design.
  • Road noise is a bit loud.
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RE: the heated steering wheel ~ its annoying to turn a corner and have your hands contact hot / cold / hot / cold areas as you make the turn
(temperature here is -40 today )
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RE: the heated steering wheel ~ its annoying to turn a corner and have your hands contact hot / cold / hot / cold areas as you make the turn
(temperature here is -40 today )
Yep. Normal driving down a straight road is fine but once you turn the issue becomes apparent.

If Hyundai can heat the entire wheel then Lexus should as well.
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Originally Posted by fredw1 View Post
I guess I'm not as picky. Any car will have its pros and cons. For me, the NX is mostly pro.
On the plus side:
  • I purposely did not get the nav because I find the touchpad interface distracting.
  • No cheap sounding "clunk" coming from the gas cap when the doors locks are engaged. I'm not sure if the automatic door-locking function can be turned off.
  • No problem with the cruise-control lever.
  • Sun-roof size is fine for me.
  • I have noticed torque steer on a few occasions, but I'm well aware of the conditions that cause it.
  • Heated steering wheel is heated in the right places for how I drive.
  • Most cars I've seen have screens perched on top of the dashboard.
  • I've never accidentally hit the voice-control button.
  • The 235 hp is adequate for me, and Sport Mode makes the most of it.
  • My car knows the difference between an iPod and an iPhone.

The cons:
  • Slush accumulation under the door. I agree: terrible design.
  • Road noise is a bit loud.

As far as the road noise....maybe it's the tires?
My NX is louder than my previous RX.
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