ClaytonW

So it looks that '19 LX570 and '19 Land Cruiser are out. I cannot see any changes. Does anybody know what has changed?

It looks that Toyota does not like offroad capable SUVs. All of them are pretty old right now:
- Land Cruiser 200 and LX 570 are here from 2007
- Land Cruiser 150 (Prado), 4Runner and Lexus GX460 from 2010
- Toyota Sequoia 2008
- Toyota Tundra 2007
- Land Cruiser 70 series (not available in USA) from 1984 - but this is an exception; Toyota, please do not touch it :-)

So the only exception are Toyota Tacoma (third generation in 2015, but not changed so much) and a similar pickup for the rest of the World - Toyota Hilux (also 2015).
What's wrong? Does Toyota plan to discontinue all these offroad capable SUVs and pickup trucks?

Chocolate

Another carryover year. All the new Toyota trucks are a year or more away.

I bought the LX because of the reliability, resale, and because they're easy to work on - common tools and a socket set are all you need. Not so with the Germans.

OK, the ML stereo is nice too. This platform is old as dirt, it was designed from 2004 to 2008. But compare the A-pillars to the 100 series and you can appreciate the generational improvements from a vehicle designed in the mid 90s.

Chocolate

This article outlines some improvements to the TRD branded Toyotas, prices went up several thousand on the 4Runner and Tundra with new equipment.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/08/16/...rice-increase/

hankinid

Iirc, Toyota claims a 15 year / 250K mile design life for the 200 series. I've no idea what they claim for the Prado / GX, 4Runner, Sequoia and / or Tundra. I'd buy a 70 series in a few seconds if it were offered here.

Our LX and Land Cruiser are definitely off-road capable, to put it mildly...the LX is ~17 years old, the Land Cruiser ~5 years old. I'd pass on the Sequoia and Tundra, as neither are built 100% in Japan. I'll also discount the Prado and 4Runner as too small. The LX and Land Cruiser are both old, but I'm not sure your of logic noting that 'Yota "does not like off-road capable SUV's". I'm not aware of an off and on road SUV with the reliability and resale value of a Cruiser or LX...so, what do you recommend that's better.

ClaytonW

100% agree. I had it in Europe. And you can still buy a new one in most European countries (although not oficially imported by Toyota).

There is nothing better. But... I simply worry that something is wrong with Toyota. They screwed-up the new LS completely, GS is discontinued, 4Runner/GX were not redesigned this year as Prado in the rest of the world, Sequoia/Tundra are here from 2008 (2007 for Tundra)...

SL%%

This is my personal opinion in all of these. Toyota's reputation, a big chunk of it is really reliability. I still remember my first Land Cruiser experience which was the LC80 boy was that bulletproof... seems like no matter what you throw at it, it'll just go move as designed.

Toyota takes time specially when it comes to their legendary Land Cruiser (pretty much the LX as well where its based from the LC). The J100 ran almost 9 years in production. While it "seems" like Toyota is not doing something, for sure they are as we should also consider the more stringent CO2 standard that the Land Cruiser needs to adapt.

There is a link somewhere here of on a early speculation on how the next Land Cruiser will look like...(https://lexusenthusiast.com/forums/t...-next-lx.4643/)

as for the LS500, it looks great for me and at least, Lexus now have its own "look"

Toys4RJill

I think the 4Runner has the best resale out of any Toyota you can possibly get.

The 4Runner actually can haul more payload than a Land Cruiser 1625lb vs 1320. Headroom is more in a 4Runner. The leg room is the same or almost similar. Interior volume is 97.3 for a 4Runner.

As for off-road, the 4Runner will win in every conceivable dimension off-road as well as the fact that the 4Runner can be had with locking diffs for the rear as well as good old fashioned shifter from hi-to-low 4WD setting. I do like Land Cruiser however, a very rare and unique vehicle. A shame for Toyota to offer a real locking differential in the Land Cruiser for some world markets but nothing for the US market model.

Toys4RJill

Yes. A vehicle from a different era. Toyota's gets a big chunk of their reputation from reliability. Our LX450 took about $5000 to get it up to standard after things started to wear out. The steering needed fixing. Exhaust system replaced. New bumpers. New fuel tank (I think it is steel, but I am not 100% sure). It also takes a long time to get parts sometimes. But yes, bulletproof when you take care of them. Rock solid on the road, but It has terrible MPG and it is costly to maintain. However, they are really nice to have around when you need the capability. In Canada, I have seen many imported turbo diesel FJ80 Land Cruiser, however I have never ever seen such a model in the US.

Toys4RJill

I have heard Land Cruisers have a 30 year design life.

docboy

Pretty much, these trucks are built to last. 1st article below states 25yr design. 2nd article suggests the 200 series as the highest mileage car author has ever seen, 600k+ miles.

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/why-t...ive-1715003811

https://www.wisebread.com/6-cars-you...almost-forever

hankinid

More than a few articles showing a 30 year design. I can't attribute either 25 or 30 years via an official Toyota statement.