Bimmer32

Perhaps you took it out of context. I agree that profiling exist; it's a basic instinct. But I never said anything or insinuated anything about the driver . . . just the "nice car." Take it at face value. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't misunderstand and call me naive. If you want to further discuss, use another thread.

Back to topic, Lexusrus, thanks for the nice article. I think the article diminishes the cost of each plates to pennies since the cost is spread out to tax dollars and car owners. New and used cars are bought and sold every day, so new plates are required. I agree that each plates doesn't cost much consider the bigger schema and the benefit of more observation. I do suspect that toll lobbyist work hard in two plates states.

I don't know who owns the tolls in other states. In any case, in Texas, it's majority private entities that own the tolls, and TxDoT only allows pictures of licenses plate/vehicle and not occupants inside the vehicle. A toll violation is considered when when the unregistered vehicle passes the toll; hence, pictures are typically taken of the rear side of the vehicle. That is the same for red light cameras in Texas.

tlhicks

So Racial Profiling is a basic Instinct. WOW! Well It must be since minorities are victimized by it as a common practice. And you must do it also since you excuse it as a perfectly natural thing to do. WOW REALLY WOW!!!

Bimmer32

You introduce "racial . . . minorities . . . victimized." Again, let's not start any sensationalism because everyone now has a platform on the Internet. That type of rhetoric is better handled on reddit.com instead.

I do think that front plates are ugly and cost more than pennies to produce and dispose, but their benefits of more observation are well noted. I wouldn't seek to change any current laws for any state as long as my LEO don't start pulling people over simply to enforce a front plate.

tlhicks

Dude. Really! You started this off saying police don't pull you over because you have a nice car. That "Popular belief " as you called it must just be "Fake News" right? That is only true if you look a certain way. Hence a profile based on Bias. You stated profiling is a basic human nature. That must be true if your a privileged white male. I was a military police officer for 12 years. When a crime in committed, with an unknown suspect, yes a profile is formed from evidence as to who might have committed that crime. So unless your investigating a crime. ALL OTHER PROFILING IS BASED ON BIAS! So your basic human nature of profiling is based on your bias. Done start none, won't be none. Translation, don't make comments that you can't support factually and expect not to be challenged.

Bimmer32

So glad you are not MP anymore. What you need is a class in understanding English, and getting your head out of the "minority is a victim" mentality. You are showing your bias. Hell, we're all subjective to some degree. Look at science. It is only based on what it can observe. Statistical Empirical Evidence. How does science explain TRANSCENDENTAL PHENOMENOLOGY?

Here's my quote again in case you don't have a good memory, "Contrary to popular belief, police don't pull you over just because you have a nice vehicle to give you a hard time." Let me break it down to you. "Contrary to popular belief" . . . that mean against what most people might think or believe. "Police don't pull you over just because you have a nice vehicle . . ." that means they pull you over for other reasons . . . . beside having a nice vehicle. Yes, one example you gave is that you are black. Got it. I can list a million other examples. Police don't just pull you over because you have a nice vehicle. Got it? In your case, they pull you over because you drive a nice vehicle AND you are black. You confirmed my statement with your experience.

BTW, I know well people who work in homicide division that will give you statistics that do not favor blacks in the US. I'd ask, "And?" My question is, which ethnic group focuses more on raising their families and particularly children to take pride, work hard intellectually, and be humble of their achievements? Emulate that. In today's world, it's not the bronze the lead but the brains. We pay lip service to the civil rights leaders and fail to truly appreciate their sacrifice; instead, we now just focus what's in it for me and do little to help prioritize our intellects to dispel previous biases, profiling, classification, or whatever lens being used to look at us. The change needs to starts at home, and it starts with every individual. That's my soapbox.

Back to topic of Ugly front plate. Do you have front plates because that is one reason police might pull you over regardless if you driving a LX or a Pinto?

hzhao

Well said, Bimmer32!

Let's all move on.