LX570 a little dissappointing
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All of you are so funny. Just go back and read the petty comments.
I took a 325 mile trip in the LX570 today. All I can say is WOW! What a pleasure. At 80mph I averaged 17.7 miles per gallon! Better than my LX470!
The LX570 also handles WAY better than any of my 470s. Every LX470 I had kinda "wandered" a little at highway speed to me. The LX570 is like on rails! Very little input required from the driver to maintain super smooth high speed turns and long straight runs. It gobbled up I95 with ease! Do not know what Lexus did but there is one heck of a lot less road/tire noise and the roads were all under construction from Jacksonville to Savannah.
You would not be sweating these "little things" if you would have been one of my passengers today! Everyone, including a Range Rover owner walked away very impressed!
No one time while driving, did I notice of there was double or single stitching in the leather!
LOL!
I took a 325 mile trip in the LX570 today. All I can say is WOW! What a pleasure. At 80mph I averaged 17.7 miles per gallon! Better than my LX470!
The LX570 also handles WAY better than any of my 470s. Every LX470 I had kinda "wandered" a little at highway speed to me. The LX570 is like on rails! Very little input required from the driver to maintain super smooth high speed turns and long straight runs. It gobbled up I95 with ease! Do not know what Lexus did but there is one heck of a lot less road/tire noise and the roads were all under construction from Jacksonville to Savannah.
You would not be sweating these "little things" if you would have been one of my passengers today! Everyone, including a Range Rover owner walked away very impressed!
No one time while driving, did I notice of there was double or single stitching in the leather!
LOL!
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It does have buttery smooth leather. The problem is that it is clearly from the ES350, not LS460. Where the LX is priced is the issue here, not necessarily the seat themselves. With buttery soft leather, i would want double stitching for strength. Go to any highend furniture store and see their leather chairs...double stitching. Go to any highend cars and what do you see? Same thing. There is a reason why there is a big difference in seat construction/materials between LS460 and LX570 seats...and it does not have to do with the type of leather they use.
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I saw one for the first time today and I was not impressed. It looks like a bigger GX. I personally feel Lexus styling has taken a step backwards. All the models look the same now. The GS is all I care for. The new LS is hideous. I thought Lexus really was about to overtake MB or BMW after the last generation of cars because they all looked really good....the GS, LS430, LX470, etc. I don't doubt the reliability is still the best with Lexus....but just not styling.
However, this started when they screwed up the SC430 (which is now 7 years old with no concrete plans for a restyle anytime soon).
When I look at SUV styling, I look at the Escalade. It was a really hot body style from 2002-2006 and they found a way to make it even hotter for the new Escalade. I was hoping Lexus would do this.
However, this started when they screwed up the SC430 (which is now 7 years old with no concrete plans for a restyle anytime soon).
When I look at SUV styling, I look at the Escalade. It was a really hot body style from 2002-2006 and they found a way to make it even hotter for the new Escalade. I was hoping Lexus would do this.
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The problem is that it is clearly from the ES350, not LS460. Where the LX is priced is the issue here, not necessarily the seat themselves. With buttery soft leather, i would want double stitching for strength
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You really get defensive and appear to have to justify how great your LX570. I remember a time when Toyota's offered just a little extra that never really needed mentioning (such as soft padded lower door panels, leather wrapped grab handles, carpet on the door trim, solid door sill protectors, dual lighted running boards and a fully power 10 way passenger seat). Not so in this case...
You are funny
I have said NOTHING against your 100 (what ever that is) but you have, in every thread, complained about how poor the quality is in the 570.
And I am defensive? May be so but recognise yourself as being the same . . . and maybe add jealous!
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Just my opinion but the LX570 isn't worth the money. Blast me as you wish but I've been a big fan of Lexus for years - and by many of my posts on here, you can tell. I think Lexus is going crazy with their pricing while their quality isn't exactly what it used to be. Again, blast away. Nobody cares.
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Sal,
I am not sure that even I think the 570 was worth what I paid for it. I am not blind and I can see a thing or two I would like to have seen Lexus do better.
Everyone has a right to their opinion. Heck I do not think any of todays vehicles are worth what the dealers are asking but they have the only game in town. There are so many choices! Retail prices have gone up so drastically, many are choosing to keep what they got a little longer.
I am not the type that "blasts away" without reason. Everyone has their own opinion and that is what makes these forum so great! My only problem is when pagermiser accuses me of being defensive and does not realise that he has over and over compared the fit and finish of the Toyota 100 to the Lexus LX570! <vbg>
Have a great weekend!
I am not sure that even I think the 570 was worth what I paid for it. I am not blind and I can see a thing or two I would like to have seen Lexus do better.
Everyone has a right to their opinion. Heck I do not think any of todays vehicles are worth what the dealers are asking but they have the only game in town. There are so many choices! Retail prices have gone up so drastically, many are choosing to keep what they got a little longer.
I am not the type that "blasts away" without reason. Everyone has their own opinion and that is what makes these forum so great! My only problem is when pagermiser accuses me of being defensive and does not realise that he has over and over compared the fit and finish of the Toyota 100 to the Lexus LX570! <vbg>
Have a great weekend!
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Sal,
I am not sure that even I think the 570 was worth what I paid for it. I am not blind and I can see a thing or two I would like to have seen Lexus do better.
Everyone has a right to their opinion. Heck I do not think any of todays vehicles are worth what the dealers are asking but they have the only game in town. There are so many choices! Retail prices have gone up so drastically, many are choosing to keep what they got a little longer.
I am not the type that "blasts away" without reason. Everyone has their own opinion and that is what makes these forum so great! My only problem is when pagermiser accuses me of being defensive and does not realise that he has over and over compared the fit and finish of the Toyota 100 to the Lexus LX570! <vbg>
Have a great weekend!
I am not sure that even I think the 570 was worth what I paid for it. I am not blind and I can see a thing or two I would like to have seen Lexus do better.
Everyone has a right to their opinion. Heck I do not think any of todays vehicles are worth what the dealers are asking but they have the only game in town. There are so many choices! Retail prices have gone up so drastically, many are choosing to keep what they got a little longer.
I am not the type that "blasts away" without reason. Everyone has their own opinion and that is what makes these forum so great! My only problem is when pagermiser accuses me of being defensive and does not realise that he has over and over compared the fit and finish of the Toyota 100 to the Lexus LX570! <vbg>
Have a great weekend!
The problem is, as these prices continue to go up, people still buy them without hesitation. This is making these companies think they can charge Anything. What's the next RX going to start at? $60k? As it stands, for a fully-loaded RX350 you're looking at $45k. That's fine. But let's see where it goes...
Our economy is falling apart. At some point, you're going to be able to buy a brand new car for less than the used model it replaced - when everyone stops paying these insane prices...
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and by many of my posts on here, you can tell
I have never seen so much negative press about Toyota as I have the last year or two.
1. Tundra/Sequioa cheap interiors.
2. Camry removed from recommended list on CR.
3. Single stitch seats in Lexus.
4. expose seat frame anchors
5. Lx570 gets rid of power rear windows
6. Leather wrapped grab handles in the LX are gone and now use plastic
Did I mention that Toyota cars sales have stalled...January they sold less than the year before.
Those are just a few to mention. Toyota has added alot of features to their vehicles and have done some great things to their cars but they are also cutting costs here and there to hike their margins.
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I haven't read the whole thread. I should go back and read it. But I agree with you on the pricing of all vehicles these days. There are a few, in particular, that are especially ridiculous.. The Lexus LS460 is priced fairly for what it offers. The Mercedes S550, on the other-hand, forget it. $100,000.00 to have it with the options you'd expect is way overboard. I can't even believe people waste their money on it. I suppose if you really want to stand out in the crowd, you'll buy the S550 or S600.
The problem is, as these prices continue to go up, people still buy them without hesitation. This is making these companies think they can charge Anything. What's the next RX going to start at? $60k? As it stands, for a fully-loaded RX350 you're looking at $45k. That's fine. But let's see where it goes...
Our economy is falling apart. At some point, you're going to be able to buy a brand new car for less than the used model it replaced - when everyone stops paying these insane prices...
The problem is, as these prices continue to go up, people still buy them without hesitation. This is making these companies think they can charge Anything. What's the next RX going to start at? $60k? As it stands, for a fully-loaded RX350 you're looking at $45k. That's fine. But let's see where it goes...
Our economy is falling apart. At some point, you're going to be able to buy a brand new car for less than the used model it replaced - when everyone stops paying these insane prices...
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so have 95% of other carmakers, when people are losing their butt on housing loans theres going to be less people buying cars. This cheap feeling interior argument is weak, none of us here knows what the production cost on parts is. Just because "it feels cheap" isnt a good enough evidence that it really is getting cost cutted
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so have 95% of other carmakers, when people are losing their butt on housing loans theres going to be less people buying cars. This cheap feeling interior argument is weak, none of us here knows what the production cost on parts is. Just because "it feels cheap" isnt a good enough evidence that it really is getting cost cutted
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Funny thing about single stitching, of the many vehicles I have owned I don't remember ever having a seat torn because of bad stitching, from the Fords to Oldsmobile to GMC pick-ups and SUVs to Buicks to Volvos and the usual suspects like Mazdas, Hondas and Toyotas with vinyl or leather seats. Never had a problem and I am quite sure that at least 98% of those vehicles had single stitching.
So the LX570 has single stitching, so what. I bet the thread is extra strong.
I am more concern about the non-removable 3rd road seats and the lack of privacy glass that will require tinting ( extra expenditure ).
So the LX570 has single stitching, so what. I bet the thread is extra strong.
I am more concern about the non-removable 3rd road seats and the lack of privacy glass that will require tinting ( extra expenditure ).
#59
Lexusrott, double stitching is a sign of quality construction whether you like it or not. This is why fine leather is double stitched. It adds strength and durability. Most (if not all) leather steering wheel is double stitched...why?? Same reasons. Down the road when you're way past the warranty period, you may appreciate double stitching vs. single stitching.
I agree that the lack of privacy glass is odd...and hopefully, is not a sign of further cost cutting. I really don't get this one.
I agree that the lack of privacy glass is odd...and hopefully, is not a sign of further cost cutting. I really don't get this one.
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Just in case I don't answer right away.
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Just in case I don't answer right away.
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