which motor oil, Toyota or Mobil 1?
Hi,
will do my first oil change soon for my 2012 LS. Is the Toyota synthetic oil(around $7/q) worth it or Mobil 1(around $4/q at costco when on sale) will just do fine? I will bring the oil and filter to let my local shop do it. Thanks, |
You can't go wrong with either, and FWIW, Mobil makes the Toyota (TGMO) 0W20 synthetic oil. However, keep in mind that Toyota specifies that Mobil produce their oil with a much higher level of Moly than would otherwise be added to Mobil's own branded oil. My local Toyota dealer sells me their TGMO synthetic in bulk for 6 dollars/qt. All I do is bring on my own jugs and they refill them. If the prices are similar...go Toyota. It truly is a superior oil to many. BITOG has a ton of info about it. It is excellent stuff
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Go with the cheapest option which would be the Mobile 1. No need to pay the extra money if your going to change the oil every 5k.
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I plan to change oil every 10K or one year, whichever comes first.
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Originally Posted by ABbirds
(Post 10185604)
I plan to change oil every 10K or one year, whichever comes first.
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After a lot of research I too decided to run the TGMO. |
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Originally Posted by xfea
(Post 10185896)
Get Mobil 1 or Pennzoil Platinum every year form Walmart. If you are into rebates then get two of each every year for additional $10 rebate per 5 qt jug. I personally like Pennzoil platinum a lot. I haven't tried Ultra but that must be even better if you want to do longer change intervals. |
The engine was made for non synthetic oil. 0-20 is too light. 5-20 works better. If using synthetic my shop uses 5-30. lexus service manager showed me the shop manual which calls for non synthetic oil. these engines easily run multiple hundreds of thousands of miles on non synthetic you may be causing long term issues running thin synthetic oil in these..... |
From 2011 Manual
Engine oil selection “Toyota Genuine Motor Oil” is used in your Lexus vehicle. Use Lexus approved “Toyota Genuine Motor Oil” or equivalent to satisfy the follow- ing grade and viscosity. Oil grade: ILSAC multigrade engine oil Recommended viscosity: SAE 5W-20 or 0W-20 SAE 5W-20 or 0W-20 engine oil may be used. However, SAE 0W- 20 is the best choice for good fuel economy and good starting in cold weather. Tech Tip L-TT-0001-10 Starting with the 2010 Model Year, Lexus began a gradual transition to the use of synthetic 0w-20 viscosity engine oil. There are multiple benefits of this oil, including:
For LS460, 0w-20 is an option to 5w-20 and will continue to require 5,000 mile change intervals as per Lexus. I am personally planning to use Pennzoil platinum 0W-20 and follow 7500 miles interval which will be around 1 year interval. Several forum members from Texas are using 0W-20 with no issues therefore I feel comfortable using this thin oil. I assume Lexus tolerances are very tight making this thin oil no problem. |
I sent my Mobil 1 in to Blackstone, and they said it had at least another couple thousand miles in it. That was with 11K on it. I'm going to go 15K on this change and see how much is left. 3K of those miles are easy, as they are road trips while the engine is turning a whopping 2K RPM.
FWIW, I also sent my transmission oil in as well, I think it had around 110K on it, and they said, in no uncertain terms, it was used too long by "a while". I'm guessing about 20K miles, maybe 30K. Being as I changed all of it, which wasn't difficult, or all that messy, once I thought it through (and quite-literally, diagrammed it out so I could build a system which had a five gallon capacity). I'm going to take a sample at 50K, probably, and see what it looks like. I don't tow, have a mostly-highway commute, it's warmer here (Fort Worth) much longer and more intensely than it's cold (but not Phoenix or Vegas), so it'll be of somewhat limited use for others, but at least we'll see how much better synthetic transmission oil does against the factory fill. I used Castrol fully-synthetic multi-vehicle oil, which is "suitable" for all Toyotas, and it's not protested after the first 5K miles, or so. Shifts are less 'slurred', but that's the only difference I've noticed. The only concern I have about high molybdenum content is that it can kill catalytic converters sooner than you'd expect. The nice thing about this car, is I didn't worry about a transmission rebuild between 85K miles and 115K miles. I understand some of these have over 200K on them, and are still OEM. That'd be a nice change. |
My concern is long term ring seal. Are all the ls460 year engines the same? |
Originally Posted by mckellyb
(Post 10186018)
I sent my Mobil 1 in to Blackstone, and they said it had at least another couple thousand miles in it. That was with 11K on it. I'm going to go 15K on this change and see how much is left. 3K of those miles are easy, as they are road trips while the engine is turning a whopping 2K RPM.
FWIW, I also sent my transmission oil in as well, I think it had around 110K on it, and they said, in no uncertain terms, it was used too long by "a while". I'm guessing about 20K miles, maybe 30K. Being as I changed all of it, which wasn't difficult, or all that messy, once I thought it through (and quite-literally, diagrammed it out so I could build a system which had a five gallon capacity). I'm going to take a sample at 50K, probably, and see what it looks like. I don't tow, have a mostly-highway commute, it's warmer here (Fort Worth) much longer and more intensely than it's cold (but not Phoenix or Vegas), so it'll be of somewhat limited use for others, but at least we'll see how much better synthetic transmission oil does against the factory fill. I used Castrol fully-synthetic multi-vehicle oil, which is "suitable" for all Toyotas, and it's not protested after the first 5K miles, or so. Shifts are less 'slurred', but that's the only difference I've noticed. The only concern I have about high molybdenum content is that it can kill catalytic converters sooner than you'd expect. The nice thing about this car, is I didn't worry about a transmission rebuild between 85K miles and 115K miles. I understand some of these have over 200K on them, and are still OEM. That'd be a nice change. Did you DIY flush all of it it? Did you post your system on this board before? If not, do you mind sharing it? What does 5 gallon capacity mean? |
Originally Posted by Caflashbob
(Post 10186076)
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he engine was made for non synthetic oil. 0-20 is too light. 5-20 works better. If using synthetic my shop uses 5-30. lexus service manager showed me the shop manual which calls for non synthetic oil. |
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