Lexuslsguy

The 460 is not particularly fast when comparing to what others offer. But it's a good motor for the most part. The new LS with the twin turbo 6 will easily beat the NA V8's. Want to drive a fast luxury sedan try Audi's 4.0 twin turbo. That motor is a monster. Stock it will run low 12's and in some cases high 11's.

roadfrog

It'll get me to the dealer for repairs quicker. Kidding aside, I would love to own an Audi before I die. Im just gun shy after owning German marques in the past. I know Audi has made a comeback with their reliability of late, but with my luck, I'd end up with a lemon.

SW17LS

Personally, in this sort of car I don't care about power all that much. I want it to be adequate to drive effortlessly, smooth & quiet. Even if the 3.5TT in the LS500 is a lot faster and feels a lot faster which I'm sure it will, I'd rather have my NA V8. If it can deliver more power and feel and sound just as smooth and refined then thats great, but I don't want to trade power for refinement.

Lexuslsguy

I am totally with you. I am also cautious as this is my first German car which is why I choose a cpo. I've put on 10k miles in 6 months, so far so good. Honestly, the parts are not that bad it's the labor that can really bend you over. And they are over engineered. I also chose the supercharged 6 vs the twin turbo 8 mainly because of budget reasons.

Unfortunately, the 4.0 is probably the most fun but it's also a very complicated motor and arguably the least reliable of the 4 offered. Not anything major but little issue that still cost an arm and a leg if paying out of pocket and not doing the work yourself.

I would of got the 3.0 TDI if any were available. I have a feeling I will be going diesel within the next few years. I swear though, this car is the easiest oil change I have ever done. I purchased a nice oil evacuator to suck it out via the dipstick and with the filter on top it is a breeze. Anyway, I would say a well taken care of D4 model is nothing to be scared of. Actually the air suspension in these cars are really good. Definitely less issues then the 460, surprisingly.

Doublebase

I feel the same way, I don't care all that much about power with a car like this but I do want it to have sort of an effortless refinement to it. And I think the V8 does that. I like to have enough power in every driving circumstance, it doesn't have to be overpowering but it has to be there. And I sure as hell don't need something that needs to rev to 6,000 to reach its power band.

Kennyr44

And I sure as hell don't need something that needs to rev to 6,000 to reach its power band.[/QUOTE]

That is not going to be a problem. The V6 twin turbo is going to be really fast right off the line. Way faster than the V8 and just as smooth. I would buy it if 80 to 90k was in my price range. Although a G90 for $650 a month lease is a no brainer.

SW17LS

Just as smooth? We'll have to see.

Doublebase

That is not going to be a problem. The V6 twin turbo is going to be really fast right off the line. Way faster than the V8 and just as smooth. I would buy it if 80 to 90k was in my price range. Although a G90 for $650 a month lease is a no brainer.[/QUOTE]

Well I will say this, turbos have come a long way and most V6's are pretty damn smooth now. I've driven twin turbo BMW's and they are smooth and fast, but I'd rather have a naturally aspirated engine that can handle higher levels of performance and avoid the fuss of turbos going bad, intercooler problems, having to worry about my oil taking a beating, etc.

SW17LS

The TT BMWs are inline 6s, not V6s. Much smoother inherently.

DarKnight

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I would say from a technology and aesthetics standpoint it makes sense to upgrade to the LS460. I remember from my test drive of the LS430 years ago, the quality is a little better in the 430 but I haven't been in a 2013+ 460 to know the quality.

Doublebase

Yes but wouldn't you consider a V6 to be balanced and smooth? We're not talking about a four cylinder turbo with a balancer shaft, shaking out of its engine mounts.

SW17LS

V6s are actually inherently unbalanced, they're not naturally smooth and balanced like a V8 or I6. That's the root of the concern.

Junglequac

As my father once said, pay now or pay later. While turbocharging offers undeniable advantages, after around 80,000 miles, it is time to start thinking about replacing the turbos. I just don't think we are going to be reading about 1,000,000 mile LS400's with the LS500 nee LS350.

That said, not sure we are going to see many/any 1M mile 460's for that matter, but I certainly do like its chances better.

SW17LS

I just don't think with a modern Turbo from Toyota that thinking is reality. You're going to get much longer life out of a turbo on this car

JLAWS

I've had two 2001 LS430. One in 2004 and 2009 and I almost got an 2005 in 2010 since I really liked the front end refresh and 5 spoke 18's. I have to say quality wise the LS430 is superior overall to the LS460. I see a lot of cost cutting materials in the LS460. The interior trim appear to be a spray on rubber material over foam padding.My 23 yr old Camry trim and door panels are still solid and still look great. The Ls430 is WAY more quiet on the highway than the Ls460 which I did the wind noise fix and upgraded trim. The LS430 is smoother on the highway. I only needed a regular tire balance and it was virtually vibration free at all speeds. Firmer and more durable leather seats. Solid side mirrors. I don't recall anything on the Ls430 that made me say, "that's kinda cheap"
My 2008 LS460 is great. Love the power, comfort and road presence, just a few misses her and there which I hope they addressed in the 2013-2017 which I plan to get in the future.