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Old 07-20-17, 05:17 PM
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A little off-topic (and maybe covered elsewhere), but is there any reason people are looking for the L (long wheelbase) version other than to provide more room for backseat passengers? Thanks.
Old 07-20-17, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by rgs92
A little off-topic (and maybe covered elsewhere), but is there any reason people are looking for the L (long wheelbase) version other than to provide more room for backseat passengers? Thanks.
The LWB comes with more standard features was my reason. The LWB provides more rear leg but the SWB is also roomy.

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L has following features over base;
  • Of cause additional 6 inch leg room (same frame as flagship 600HL)
  • All around double pane glass windows for added sound isolation
  • Headlamp washers - std
  • Power door closure - std
  • One touch trunk open-close - std
  • climate control front seat and heated rear seat - std
  • Heated steering wheel - std in L and AWD
  • Intuitive parking assistance - std
  • Individual vanity mirror for rear - std
  • Intelligent high beam - std
Being long wheelbase, drive is floatier than base model.
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Old 07-20-17, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FatherTo1
You can identify Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC) by the Lexus emblem being solid up front, in the grill, and the following icon on the steering wheel:

A dead giveaway of air suspension is the presence of the "Height High" button. Depending on year of LS 460, it looks like below (07-12 on the left, 13+ on the right):

I have not experienced a bad air strut first-hand, but others that have commonly report a characteristic clunking sound when going over bumps.
Thanks for the info.
Originally Posted by rgs92
A little off-topic (and maybe covered elsewhere), but is there any reason people are looking for the L (long wheelbase) version other than to provide more room for backseat passengers? Thanks.
I'm not really looking for a L since I hardly have passagers in the back seat so a regular wheel base would had been fine with me.

So this 2010 LS is pretty loaded then?
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Originally Posted by LatinGS350
Thanks for the info.

I'm not really looking for a L since I hardly have passagers in the back seat so a regular wheel base would had been fine with me.

So this 2010 LS is pretty loaded then?
I wouldn't consider this 2010 as "loaded". It is missing the reclining and cooled rear seats, as well as no rear audio controls, no rear cooler box, no separate rear AC unit, no rear vibration/massage, and no rear side-sunshades (basically the Ultra Luxury package) -- but not an issue if you don't carry many passengers, they would already enjoy the extra legroom as it is. Also, without those rear seat upgrades you end up with a larger trunk! It does have the upgraded Mark Levinson audio system and has DRCC. The driver's side armrest also appears to have dark stains. But the big kicker for me is the VIN does not appear to have the updated control arms (see attached). Overall, I think it is a decent example and nice color combo inside and out. I would use the stains, control arms, and possible air suspension maintenance, as bargaining tools. Also, don't forget to register on the Lexus driver's site to inspect the maintenance history on the car. I would have seriously considered this example if I came across it six months ago and the maintenance record checked out.
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Originally Posted by FatherTo1
I wouldn't consider this 2010 as "loaded". It is missing the reclining and cooled rear seats, as well as no rear audio controls, no rear cooler box, no separate rear AC unit, no rear vibration/massage, and no rear side-sunshades (basically the Ultra Luxury package) -- but not an issue if you don't carry many passengers, they would already enjoy the extra legroom as it is. Also, without those rear seat upgrades you end up with a larger trunk! It does have the upgraded Mark Levinson audio system and has DRCC. The driver's side armrest also appears to have dark stains. But the big kicker for me is the VIN does not appear to have the updated control arms (see attached). Overall, I think it is a decent example and nice color combo inside and out. I would use the stains, control arms, and possible air suspension maintenance, as bargaining tools. Also, don't forget to register on the Lexus driver's site to inspect the maintenance history on the car. I would have seriously considered this example if I came across it six months ago and the maintenance record checked out.
Thanks for all that info. I did notice the stain on the driver side panel and arm rest.
I did check the history on the Lexus website and it shows that it go the control arms replaced last year as well as a tranny fluid exchange. Also a replacement of fuel pressure gasket. Several batteries were replaced as well. Not sure what this means : ALC VGRS ECU UPDATE
Looks like it's been maintained quite well and repaired when needed by Lexus dealers.


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Filter History By Year
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85095 MILES
DATE: 04/03/2017


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80496 MILES
DATE: 09/12/2016


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DATE: 08/25/2016


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76197 MILES
DATE: 12/08/2015


REPAIR# 0750196
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SERVICE: MULTI-POINT VISUAL INSPECTION
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SERVICE: OIL CHANGE
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SERVICE: ROTATE ALL TIRES
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72591 MILES
DATE: 06/25/2015


REPAIR# 0742669
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SERVICE:
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71406 MILES
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66056 MILES
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SERVICE: ROTATE ALL TIRES
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55014 MILES
DATE: 07/26/2013


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SERVICE: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE
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50279 MILES
DATE: 05/13/2013


REPAIR# 0294438
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SERVICE: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE
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45402 MILES
DATE: 02/20/2013


REPAIR# 0288084
REPORTED BY: Bell Lexus North Scottsdale
SERVICE: 45000 MILE SERVICE NON WARRANTY
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SERVICE: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE
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SERVICE: WHEEL ALIGNMENT
DESCRIPTION: WHEEL ALIGNMENT ~ ~PERFORM FOUR WHEEL ALIGNMENT MAINTENANCE ~ ~ ~ ~PERFORMED FOUR WHEEL ALIGNMENT
40153 MILES
DATE: 11/13/2012


REPAIR# 0280457
REPORTED BY: Bell Lexus North Scottsdale
SERVICE: 40000 MILE SERVICE NON WARRANTY-NON OEM
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SERVICE: INSPECT BATTERY CHARGE LEVEL INSPECT BATTERY CHARGE LEVEL
DESCRIPTION: INSPECT BATTERY CHARGE LEVEL ~ ~TECH NOTED AT TIME OF SERVICE THAT BATTERY FAILED LOAD TEST ~ ~BATTERY FAILED LOAD TEST CODE# C1CP ~ ~REPLACE BATTERY
SERVICE: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE
DESCRIPTION: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE ~ ~INSTRUCTION/NOTES BELL LEXUS HAS PROVIDED A LOANER FOR YOU. WE ONLY ASK A $10.00 PARTICIPATION TO OFFSET FUEL AND MAINTENANCE COSTS. PLEASE RETURN BY 6PM WHEN YOUR VEHICLE IS FINISHED OR A $50.00 RENTAL CHARGE PER DAY WILL BE ADDED TO YOUR INVOICE LOANER# ~ ~ ~ ~LOANER
34955 MILES
DATE: 07/26/2012


REPAIR# 0272155
REPORTED BY: Bell Lexus North Scottsdale
SERVICE: 35000 MILE SERVICE NON WARRANTY-NON OEM
DESCRIPTION: 35000 MILE SERVICE NON WARRANTY-NON OEM ~ ~PERFORM 35,000 MILE SERVICE CHANGE OIL AND OIL FILTER ROTATE TIRES AND CHECK TIRE PRESSURE AS WELL AS ALIGNMENT WEAR. CHECK ALL FLUID LEVELS AND TOP OFF AS NEEDED. ADVISE ON CONDITION. CHECK BATTERY WATER LEVELS AND CABLE ENDS. CHECK POWER STEERING FLUID ~ ~SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE DUE TO TIME OR MILEAGE ~ ~35,000 MILE SERVICE PERFORMED TIRES 0/32 SEPARATING AND INTO THE SECONDARY RUBBER RECOMMEND AN ALIGNMENT BRAKES FR 7MM REARS 8MM
SERVICE: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE
DESCRIPTION: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE ~ ~INSTRUCTION/NOTES BELL LEXUS HAS PROVIDED A LOANER FOR YOU. WE ONLY ASK A $10.00 PARTICIPATION TO OFFSET FUEL AND MAINTENANCE COSTS. PLEASE RETURN BY 6PM WHEN YOUR VEHICLE IS FINISHED OR A $50.00 RENTAL CHARGE PER DAY WILL BE ADDED TO YOUR INVOICE LOANER# ~ ~ ~ ~LOANER
29763 MILES
DATE: 05/01/2012


REPAIR# 0265669
REPORTED BY: Bell Lexus North Scottsdale
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SERVICE: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE
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SERVICE: WHEEL ALIGNMENT
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24674 MILES
DATE: 01/05/2012


REPAIR# 0256418
REPORTED BY: Bell Lexus North Scottsdale
SERVICE: 25000 MILE SERVICE NON WARRANTY-NON OEM
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SERVICE: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE
DESCRIPTION: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE ~ ~INSTRUCTION/NOTES BELL LEXUS HAS PROVIDED A LOANER FOR YOU. WE ONLY ASK A $10.00 PARTICIPATION TO OFFSET FUEL AND MAINTENANCE COSTS. PLEASE RETURN BY 6PM WHEN YOUR VEHICLE IS FINISHED OR A $50.00 RENTAL CHARGE PER DAY WILL BE ADDED TO YOUR INVOICE LOANER# ~ ~ ~ ~LOANER
19797 MILES
DATE: 10/11/2011


REPAIR# 0249714
REPORTED BY: Bell Lexus North Scottsdale
SERVICE: 20000 MILE SERVICE NON WARRANTY-NON OEM
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15117 MILES
DATE: 07/21/2011


REPAIR# 0243399
REPORTED BY: Bell Lexus North Scottsdale
SERVICE: 15000 MILE SERVICE NON WARRANTY
DESCRIPTION: 15000 MILE SERVICE NON WARRANTY ~ ~PERFORM 15,000 MILE SERVICE CHANGE OIL AND OIL FILTER ROTATE TIRES AND CHECK TIRE PRESSURE AS WELL AS ALIGNMENT WEAR. REPLACE AIR FILTER CHECK ALL FLUID LEVELS AND TOP OFF AS NEEDED. ADVISE ON CONDITION. CHECK BATTERY WATER LEVEL AND CABLE ENDS INSPECT EX ~ ~SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE DUE TO TIME OR MILEAGE ~ ~15,000 MILE SERVICE PERFORMED TIRES 8/32 BRAKES 10MM
SERVICE: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE
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10165 MILES
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REPORTED BY: Bell Lexus North Scottsdale
SERVICE: 10000 MILE SERVICE NON WARRANTY-NON OEM
DESCRIPTION: 10000 MILE SERVICE NON WARRANTY-NON OEM ~ ~PERFORM 10,000 MILE SERVICE CHANGE OIL AND OIL FILTER ROTATE TIRES AND CHECK TIRE PRESSURE AS WELL AS ALIGNMENT WEAR. CHECK ALL FLUID LEVELS AND TOP OFF AS NEEDED. ADVISE ON CONDITION. CHECK BATTERY WATER LEVELS AND CABLE ENDS CHECK POWER STEERING FLUID A ~ ~SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE DUE TO TIME OR MILEAGE ~ ~10,000 MILE SERVICE PERFORMED TIRES 9/32 BRAKES 11MM
SERVICE: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE
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5023 MILES
DATE: 02/03/2011


REPAIR# 0229090
REPORTED BY: Bell Lexus North Scottsdale
SERVICE: 5,000 MILE SERVICE
DESCRIPTION: 5,000 MILE SERVICE ~ ~PERFORM 5,000 MILE SERVICE CHANGE OIL AND OIL FILTER AND ROTATE TIRES CHECK TIRE PRESSURE AS WELL AS CONDITION OF TIRE. INSPECT AIR FILTER CHECK ALL FLUID LEVELS AND TOP OFF AS NEEDED. ADVISE ON CONDITION. CHECK BATTERY WATER LEVELS AND CABLE ENDS. INSPEC ~ ~SCHEDULED MAINTENANCE DUE TO TIME OR MILEAGE ~ ~5000 MILE SERVICE PERFORMED TIRES 9/32 BRAKES FR 11MM REARS 12MM
SERVICE: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE
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2110 MILES
DATE: 12/08/2010


REPAIR# 0224467
REPORTED BY: Bell Lexus North Scottsdale
SERVICE: 1,000 MILE SERVICE
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SERVICE: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE
DESCRIPTION: NON WARRANTABLE OPERATION CODE ~ ~INSTRUCTION/NOTES BELL LEXUS HAS PROVIDED A LOANER FOR YOU. WE ONLY ASK A $10.00 PARTICIPATION TO OFFSET FUEL AND MAINTENANCE COSTS. PLEASE RETURN BY 6PM WHEN YOUR VEHICLE IS FINISHED OR A $50.00 RENTAL CHARGE PER DAY WILL BE ADDED TO YOUR INVOICE LOANER# ~ ~ ~ ~LOANER
72 MILES
DATE: 06/28/2010


REPAIR# 0411460
REPORTED BY: Lexus San Diego
SERVICE: CAMPAIGNS
DESCRIPTION: CAMPAIGNS ~ ~ALC VGRS ECU UPDATE ~ ~ ~ ~REPLACE STEERING ECU
4 MILES
DATE: 03/10/2010


REPAIR# 0401132
REPORTED BY: Lexus San Diego
SERVICE: STARTER (REDUCTION TYPE)
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So much for Lexus' "Free" loaner cars... What's with the $10 "Participation" charge? Hope this doesn't creep into other Lexus dealers' standard operating procedures. It's not that I can't afford the $10 loaner charge, it's the principle of the thing... More erosion of the magical Lexus service experience...
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Originally Posted by FatherTo1
I wouldn't consider this 2010 as "loaded". It is missing the reclining and cooled rear seats, as well as no rear audio controls, no rear cooler box, no separate rear AC unit, no rear vibration/massage, and no rear side-sunshades (basically the Ultra Luxury package) -- but not an issue if you don't carry many passengers, they would already enjoy the extra legroom as it is. Also, without those rear seat upgrades you end up with a larger trunk! It does have the upgraded Mark Levinson audio system and has DRCC. The driver's side armrest also appears to have dark stains. But the big kicker for me is the VIN does not appear to have the updated control arms (see attached). Overall, I think it is a decent example and nice color combo inside and out. I would use the stains, control arms, and possible air suspension maintenance, as bargaining tools. Also, don't forget to register on the Lexus driver's site to inspect the maintenance history on the car. I would have seriously considered this example if I came across it six months ago and the maintenance record checked out.
I recently bought a '10 L (July production) - I looked at the PDF you attached which is very helpful regarding the control arm change. I want to make sure I understand correctly - it says for an "L" the models produced BEFORE effective VIN with last 6 digits 040325 would have the older control arm design. I just looked at my VIN and this may be a really stupid question, but how do you determine if your car VIN is beyond that? Is it like an odometer reading? So for example 040327 would be AFTER 040325? And my car has 041XXX so would that be considered AFTER?

I have always been under the impression that Lexus production for a model year is September, so I purposely tried to find a '10 that was very late production (and therefore my car was 2 months away from being considered a 2011 model year) in an attempt to mitigate the risk of having to replace the control arms from the prior design. Thanks for any help.
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Originally Posted by LatinGS350
I've been keeping my eye on this 2010 LS460L:
http://www.sslexus.com/VehicleDetail...-AZ/3016204463
The price went down from high 27k last month.
What do you guys think? I really like the color combo. I don't necessarily need the room of a LWB since it's just me and my gf riding.
Looks like the car has been regularly maintained by Lexus dealers.
Markets are different, but that seems like a pretty reasonable asking price. I think you could get $1,500-$2,000 off. Again, markets are different, but here in FL I just bought a 2010 460 L in February with 20k less miles and the asking price was $25,800 (down from $29k). Down here, I found every 10k of additional miles translated to a reduction in asking price of $1k, which is why I think your car is pretty similarly priced to mine. I don't remember my final purchase price, but think it was somewhere around or just below $24k. FWIW, my car had brand new tires, the 5 star wheels but didn't have air ride. I still think you have some wiggle room on that car. Without knowing the taxes and fees in your area, I'd probably offer them $23,500 OTD and see what they say. The reality is it's 8 model years old and has almost 100k miles. It's an attractive car for lots of folks on this forum, but the general market demand is going to be pretty low (my car sat on the lot for 5 months before I snagged it). I'd ask them how long they've had it- They may have to wholesale it soon (some places can't keep cars longer than 60 days), so that should tell you that you can low ball the offer. Your goal is to be about $500 more than what they'll get to the wholesale market and they'll do the deal.
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Originally Posted by jrmckinley
I recently bought a '10 L (July production) - I looked at the PDF you attached which is very helpful regarding the control arm change. I want to make sure I understand correctly - it says for an "L" the models produced BEFORE effective VIN with last 6 digits 040325 would have the older control arm design. I just looked at my VIN and this may be a really stupid question, but how do you determine if your car VIN is beyond that? Is it like an odometer reading? So for example 040327 would be AFTER 040325? And my car has 041XXX so would that be considered AFTER?
Yes, JR, that's how I interpreted it, like odometer mileage. I would expect your VIN to have the updated control arm design. Going by the production date may be tricky because they don't make too many LSes to begin with, but in your case it seemed to be a safe indicator as well.
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Just took my 11' production year in for service. Has 55K miles on it. Was informed both control arms need to be replaced. They are cracked I believe he said. I assumed mine had the updated control arms based on the model year but I guess it doesn't matter. I think they are about $1350 a piece. So, control arm issues could be any year even if it is believed the car has the updated kind. Glad the CPO is covering it.

I can't believe this car is still not gone.
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Originally Posted by jrmckinley
Markets are different, but that seems like a pretty reasonable asking price. I think you could get $1,500-$2,000 off. Again, markets are different, but here in FL I just bought a 2010 460 L in February with 20k less miles and the asking price was $25,800 (down from $29k). Down here, I found every 10k of additional miles translated to a reduction in asking price of $1k, which is why I think your car is pretty similarly priced to mine. I don't remember my final purchase price, but think it was somewhere around or just below $24k. FWIW, my car had brand new tires, the 5 star wheels but didn't have air ride. I still think you have some wiggle room on that car. Without knowing the taxes and fees in your area, I'd probably offer them $23,500 OTD and see what they say. The reality is it's 8 model years old and has almost 100k miles. It's an attractive car for lots of folks on this forum, but the general market demand is going to be pretty low (my car sat on the lot for 5 months before I snagged it). I'd ask them how long they've had it- They may have to wholesale it soon (some places can't keep cars longer than 60 days), so that should tell you that you can low ball the offer. Your goal is to be about $500 more than what they'll get to the wholesale market and they'll do the deal.
now it is a good deal, go for it.
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Originally Posted by LS430FL
Just took my 11' production year in for service. Has 55K miles on it. Was informed both control arms need to be replaced. They are cracked I believe he said. I assumed mine had the updated control arms based on the model year but I guess it doesn't matter. I think they are about $1350 a piece. So, control arm issues could be any year even if it is believed the car has the updated kind. Glad the CPO is covering it.

I can't believe this car is still not gone.
Wow that's quite pricey. That 2010 had all 4 replaced so it should be good for a while don't you guys think?
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Curious if you looked into the warranty? My guess is it would be very $$$. Due to age I don't think it comes with the CPO warranty since it is over 6 years old (a sales guy once told me if I recall correctly).
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Originally Posted by Lexusel
Curious if you looked into the warranty? My guess is it would be very $$$. Due to age I don't think it comes with the CPO warranty since it is over 6 years old (a sales guy once told me if I recall correctly).
I haven't looked into warranty on it yet.I do think it'll be quite expensive though.
I'm going to go check it out tomorrow and see what numbers they can give me.

The priced dropped even more since yesterday. Now it sits at $$22,971


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