What tires do you have on your LS right now?
05-30-17, 07:57 AM
#16
Lexus Fanatic
I agree, no way they're going to 70k unless somebody is willing to drive in them when they are really low tread depth. I'm not. Mine have almost 30k on them now and I'm about 5/32nds, I usually replace them at 4/32nds. Wear bars are 2/32nds. I envision replacing mine this winter, and they'll likely have 35k on them. That's just fine by me.
That's the thing about treadwear, tires wear down more quickly when they're newer. It may take 30k miles to get from 4/32nds to 2/32nds. So technically they don't "require replacement" but in my opinion they're not safe enough.
That's the thing about treadwear, tires wear down more quickly when they're newer. It may take 30k miles to get from 4/32nds to 2/32nds. So technically they don't "require replacement" but in my opinion they're not safe enough.
05-30-17, 03:27 PM
#17
We have Michelin Pilot Series on both of our cars. LS460 and Volvo S80. The Volvo tires have been on for 50,000 now and will be replaced this Summer. Not quite at the wear bar yet. Always rotated at 7,500 miles. The Lexus has 11,000 on the current Michelin's. Replaced original tires @ 14,000 miles. Absolutely no issue's.
05-30-17, 03:51 PM
#18
Racer
There is no way the P7 is going to return 70K miles. Just no way.
I'd wager it's closer to 35K-40K.
This car, at 103K miles is on set number three of what I have to assume are all OEM shoes save for one set of Michelins. According to the car's dealer history, the car had all four tires replaced at 18,539 miles, with the citation all of them were 'bad' because of a needed four-wheel alignment.
Stay away from curbs!
Those lasted until 35,679 when four Michelins were put on. So the first two sets averaged about 18K miles.
@ 57,061, all four are said to have 5/32" left, which is only a few thousand until they're toast. Let's give 'em until 62K, because I'm feeling generous. That's still less than 30K miles.
So, three full sets of shoes in the first 60K miles, or thereabouts.
This is not a high-performance sports car, it's a high-performing luxury sedan.
This is where dealer maintenance ends, pretty much, therefore I have to assume the P7s on there, now, have about 40K on them, and the fronts are done. The rears aren't far behind. This could be the second set of shoes after the Michelins were done around 60K miles, as the first three sets didn't get anywhere near 40K miles out of them.
On my '05 Cadillac STS, the RWD one, I got about 40K-45K out of the staggered set of Conti DWS06s, so no rotation. I wasn't all that gentle on them, either.
I found the Contis were quiet, great in the rain, and sticker than expected with very gentle breakaway characteristics.
I'll be able to tell you more in about 2 1/2 years, as I'll be the only driver, and I keep good records of everything. Fuel/repairs/tread depth/inflation pressure/etc.
I'd wager it's closer to 35K-40K.
This car, at 103K miles is on set number three of what I have to assume are all OEM shoes save for one set of Michelins. According to the car's dealer history, the car had all four tires replaced at 18,539 miles, with the citation all of them were 'bad' because of a needed four-wheel alignment.
Stay away from curbs!
Those lasted until 35,679 when four Michelins were put on. So the first two sets averaged about 18K miles.
@ 57,061, all four are said to have 5/32" left, which is only a few thousand until they're toast. Let's give 'em until 62K, because I'm feeling generous. That's still less than 30K miles.
So, three full sets of shoes in the first 60K miles, or thereabouts.
This is not a high-performance sports car, it's a high-performing luxury sedan.
This is where dealer maintenance ends, pretty much, therefore I have to assume the P7s on there, now, have about 40K on them, and the fronts are done. The rears aren't far behind. This could be the second set of shoes after the Michelins were done around 60K miles, as the first three sets didn't get anywhere near 40K miles out of them.
On my '05 Cadillac STS, the RWD one, I got about 40K-45K out of the staggered set of Conti DWS06s, so no rotation. I wasn't all that gentle on them, either.
I found the Contis were quiet, great in the rain, and sticker than expected with very gentle breakaway characteristics.
I'll be able to tell you more in about 2 1/2 years, as I'll be the only driver, and I keep good records of everything. Fuel/repairs/tread depth/inflation pressure/etc.
I agree, no way they're going to 70k unless somebody is willing to drive in them when they are really low tread depth. I'm not. Mine have almost 30k on them now and I'm about 5/32nds, I usually replace them at 4/32nds. Wear bars are 2/32nds. I envision replacing mine this winter, and they'll likely have 35k on them. That's just fine by me.
That's the thing about treadwear, tires wear down more quickly when they're newer. It may take 30k miles to get from 4/32nds to 2/32nds. So technically they don't "require replacement" but in my opinion they're not safe enough.
That's the thing about treadwear, tires wear down more quickly when they're newer. It may take 30k miles to get from 4/32nds to 2/32nds. So technically they don't "require replacement" but in my opinion they're not safe enough.
05-30-17, 05:49 PM
#19
Lexus Fanatic
They rate their treadlife to the wear bars is what it is. If you were happy keeping the P7s until they were totally worn down to the wear bars I bet you'd get 70k.
05-30-17, 06:48 PM
#20
Pole Position
I am running the P7 Plus and have been for the last 6,500 miles. Just got back off a 3,000 mile road trip we took this month and cannot say enough about these tires. The best tires I have ever had on a car.
Dennis
Dennis
05-30-17, 07:48 PM
#21
Racer
Glad to hear it, Dennis. Can't wait for our P7 Plus in 19" to arrive this week. I really liked the P7 Plus in 18" on our previous LS 430 and already feel the LS 460, with Goodyear RS-A2, rides better than the LS 430 with P7 Plus, so I hope the LS 460 ride improves even more so (especially at stock PSI). I was running the Goodyears at 30 PSI and thought they rode very smoothly. We went down to Santa Cruz this past weekend, only about 150 miles one-way, and I pumped the air back to 33 PSI because we were carrying a lot of gear. I could definitely feel it riding more stiffly, especially today on the way to work. I really liked the Goodyears at 30 PSI but don't like them very much at stock pressures. On the LS 430, the P7 Plus provided an excellent ride at stock pressures and hope it still holds true for the LS 460.
Last edited by FatherTo1; 05-30-17 at 07:51 PM.
05-31-17, 11:07 AM
#22
I was surprised how quiet and comfortable the Conti DWS tires were on my BMW530i and my Lexus IS250. I switched to the Pirelli P7 plus on the IS and they are not that different. I tried the P7s on my 2008 LS but could not get them to stop vibrating so I ended up swapping them out for a set of Michelin Pilot Hx which cured the problem. My current LS (2014) has the original Bridgestone Turanza EL42s which aren't too bad (contrary to what people on this forum and Tire Rack seem to say) but not as good as the Michelins or Contis.
06-01-17, 01:24 PM
#23
Racer
Just had the Pirelli P7+ installed during lunch. I must have forgotten how smooth these tires were on our previous 430. Our 460 came with Goodyear RS-A2 and I was surprised how good they were but I had to lower PSI to 30 for those to ride like Pirellis do today at stock PSI, and the P7+ still dampens road irregularities noticeably better. The steering and how the car operates on the road just is so much smoother now. I really didn't think the Goodyears were that bad until I experienced the Pirellis again.
06-01-17, 01:34 PM
#24
Lexus Fanatic
You'll be much happier with the car on those tires!
06-01-17, 01:46 PM
#25
Racer
10-30-19, 11:30 AM
#26
Driver School Candidate
I had the Pirelli P Zero Nero tires on my car two sets of tires ago. They are by far the best tires for wet traction. I tend to drive just as fast on wet roads as I do on dry and these tires resisted hydroplaning better than any tire I've had on the car. They are not noisy, but they were not as quiet as my next set which was the Continental Pure Contact with Eco Plus Technology. Those tires lasted longer than the P Zeros, but were not quite as good on wet roads. I now have the Cinturato P7. They're a good compromise between the two previous tires.
Last edited by CitraGalxy; 10-30-19 at 11:50 AM.
11-03-19, 01:00 PM
#28
Lexus Fanatic
11-04-19, 07:31 AM
#30
Lexus Fanatic
You must not be in the US? I don't believe Michelin sells those in the US...