irishbrahm

It looks like the car has already had 2 owners, not to mention that it's been sitting on the used car lot for a good while. Perhaps something is wrong with it?

rgs92

cars.com has bunch of G90s w/very low mileage from about $55K to $60K. So I don't think there is anything suspicious about this one. What this all means? Not sure. Here is another at just under $56K in NJ:
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...4240/overview/

• Mileage 4,252
• Exterior Color Santiago Silver
• Stock 12280
• VIN KMHG34JA3HU021042
• Interior Color Black
• Fuel Gasoline
• Engine 3.3L V6 24V GDI DOHC Twin Turbo
• Transmission 8-Speed Automatic
• Drivetype AWD
• History CARFAX 1-Owner Vehicle View Free Report

rgs92

I'm just posting this because I had a twinge of buyer's remorse about the '14 LS460 AWD w/8050 miles I bought for just over $50K a few months ago simply because of the G90 enthusiasm I was reading.

I got some advice that the G90, even new at $73,000, was a great deal; the equivalent of an LS460L for $15,000 less. Perhaps maybe even a better car. But they seem to be dropping like a rock in price, and I would have felt some pangs if I spent over $70K on one to see it drop by $10k-$18K with barely a few miles on it.
I observed this with the Equus, where I see some with less than than 5000 miles in the mid to high $30-thousands. (Some with just a few hundred miles or even less.)

Happily, my LS460 has zero defects so far and drives like a dream. A look through the cars.com ads for the LS from '13-'17 seems to indicate that they still hold their value well at all reasonable mileage ranges.

L8RSk8R

I paid $59,500 for a 5.0 G90, with 3000 miles.

roadfrog

Happy with it? I will be looking for one in a year or so when dealers get lease returns. Can't afford the price tag this year. I sat in one with my wife at the Vancouver Car show and was in awe.

rgs92

This was posted on bogleheads about a Hyundai Genesis (NOT a Genesis G80/G90). But still I think it deserves posting, FWIW. I think I'll stick with Lexus...

My best friend bought a 2016 Genesis new last year after he and his wife had their second kid. He sang its praises to me for months, and I took a couple rides in it and was generally impressed.

About six months in, the four of them were driving on a highway in a rainstorm and without warning, the car's electronics shut down. Everything went out, no headlights/taillights/turn signals, no speedometer, no lane assist, no radio, nothing -- moving 60 mph in the rain, suddenly blind. They managed to pull over, but nothing would turn back on, so they had to be towed. My friend is a pretty unflappable guy, but it had him shaken.

Hyundai's official explanation was a "software malfunction." The dealership mechanic in an unofficial conversation said this was not the first time he had seen a Genesis do this. (Obviously anecdotal, so take it FWIW.)

SW17LS

You can find similar weird glitch stories on any forum, including this forum.

plex

iTrader: (11)

Stop telling lies this is a Lexus forum no one here has any sort issues like other platforms

SW17LS

Exactly, what am I thinking lol

roadfrog

That's for sure. I don't think you need to go far down the list on this forum to find one.

1WILLY1

iTrader: (9)

Yes any car brand has glitches, but not every car brand has 1.4 million recalls due to possible engine failures

" metal shavings may have been left in the engine after machining causing oil blockages " LOL

Another recall directly from the Korean government affecting the Genesis


Not to mention the tranny issues, and day to day glitches and failures of this or that

But hey, it sort of looks like a Lexus, has 4 wheels , 4 doors and is $20 grand cheaper ... must be a bargain

SW17LS

Seriously? Toyota has had multiple huge recalls over the last few years. The LS460 was recalled early on for serious engine valve problems, the LS430 was recalled for transmission issues that required replacement of the transmission. The ES350 had a very serious high pressure oil hose recall, failure of which resulted in a catastrophic engine failure. They were never able to get the transmission shifting right on the generation 4 ES, I know I had one.

Is a Genesis likely to be as well made and durable as a Lexus overall? I think it's too early to say that with any confidence. But $20,000 is $20,000 lol. Hardly a trivial amount of money.

rgs92

Point taken. Thanks again.

FatherTo1

Yep,our 2006 ​​​​​​ES330 has the jerky transmission. Has exhibited the behavior ever since new. I read somewhere that a Toyota engineer admitted that the ES was designed with not enough engine mounts and that contributes to the problem. ECU reflash and new engine mounts did not alleviate the issue. On the positove side, the transmission has been jerking on certain shifts for over 10 years without breaking yet. I am trying to use the issue to motivate my wife to update her car but she feels comfortable and safe in it. Why won't the dang tranny break already? Actually, is rather get rid of the car before major problems and while it still has value. Rest of the car still rides very smoothly but the car does feel sluggish in any gear. No tranny noises though. Maybe it just feels slow now compared to the performance of our prior 430 and 460.

I used to be amazed at the wife's 2006 ES when we first met, but after having owned a 2006 LS there is no comparison. The ES is cramped, slow, and not nearly as luxurious. The ES does have way better ventilated cooling seats though. The LS 430 just blows away the ES 330. I didn't realize the divide was so wide, it is a huge chasm separating the quality between the two cars. The 430 is a magnificent car and I still feel the 430 seats and headlights are better than the 460. I do give the ES interior credit for still looking fresh by today's standards, whereas the 430 wood makes it look very dated. I still enjoy the light bird's eye maple on the wife's ES.

The G90 definitely has me intrigued. I don't quite care for the rear styling of it but the G90 has presence on the road and is not easy to ignore as it usually catches my eye when I'm on the road, the few that I see. After a few unexpected trips to the dealership for our 460 already, I kind of wish Lexus would drop off an LS loaner for me like Hyundai offers. I used to despise Hyundai but there is definitely a positive trend for their cars in many automotive publications and all of it can't just be due to attractive styling. Time will tell if the bargain price is truly a good value.

Oliver Enterprises

Not 1 chance in sweet hell. I worked for both companies, in design, made many a drawing for both, have a patent with both. And spent many long days in and at the plant for both. The mindset difference alone is remarkable. The finished products are miles apart. Your Sedona may be fine, but the 2 companies are decades apart in mindset and execution. But heck, what do I know?

J.O.