2010 Lexus 460L vs 2008 460L
#16
Lexus Test Driver
Hey, he's correct about the center console. Just checked out the picture. Im in the market this year for a possible LS460 or S550 and little things like this can sway me. Thinking more along the lines of a 2008 LS460 if its the LS460 I go with. The items the thread starter mentioned that are missing I want. Im sure the 2010 is newer etc. but, sometimes companies get rid of things some customers like, though I can truly understand why they got rid of certain things. They probably had very little demand for the items they removed on the 2010 model so, I understand.
Im going with a pre-2010 model LS460 if I stay with Lexus and dont buy the S550!!! Thanks for the incite ARLVACP! Great info and the picture you sent the link to was valuable. L.G.N.M
Im going with a pre-2010 model LS460 if I stay with Lexus and dont buy the S550!!! Thanks for the incite ARLVACP! Great info and the picture you sent the link to was valuable. L.G.N.M
#17
Lexus Champion
[QUOTE=ARLVACP;5284746]
1. No more Lexus Link or built in cell phone - instead just an Onstar-like emergency sytem. That built-in cell phone saved me more than a few times when I left my regular cell phone at home. I'm told that there wasn't a deman for the Lexus Link service or the built-in phone. I'd certainly pay for it as an option.
4. Ashtrays/lighters - understand that smoking in an 80k car may be obscence to some - but why not an option?
5. Not wild about the chrome volume control/tuning ***** -- they look cheap compared to the 2008 *****.
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1. Lexus Link, I don't even know why they even brought this back for the 2nd time, it did horrible the 1st time it was introduced to Lexus. Cost too much to operate. Not profitable.
2. I dont think Lexus want drivers smoking, playing with Navi, making phone calls etc. while driving. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are other Lexus models that dont offer Ashtry/Lighter, right???
3. Most people like chrome accents in the interior when done right, maybe the 2010 wasn't done right, I don't know.
1. No more Lexus Link or built in cell phone - instead just an Onstar-like emergency sytem. That built-in cell phone saved me more than a few times when I left my regular cell phone at home. I'm told that there wasn't a deman for the Lexus Link service or the built-in phone. I'd certainly pay for it as an option.
4. Ashtrays/lighters - understand that smoking in an 80k car may be obscence to some - but why not an option?
5. Not wild about the chrome volume control/tuning ***** -- they look cheap compared to the 2008 *****.
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1. Lexus Link, I don't even know why they even brought this back for the 2nd time, it did horrible the 1st time it was introduced to Lexus. Cost too much to operate. Not profitable.
2. I dont think Lexus want drivers smoking, playing with Navi, making phone calls etc. while driving. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are other Lexus models that dont offer Ashtry/Lighter, right???
3. Most people like chrome accents in the interior when done right, maybe the 2010 wasn't done right, I don't know.
#19
Lexus Connoisseur
Just got my new 2010 460L to replace my 2008 460L. Loved the 2008 - but not wild about the 2010. Little "comfort" items that are gone from the 2010 (and I asked for and ordered the same vehicle - right down to the color). Shame on me for not checking the car out more carefully beforehand. Still love the model - just surprised at some of the things that are gone...
Here's what I'll miss (hope are you listening Toyota? I buy a new Lexus every 1-2 years):
Here's what I'll miss (hope are you listening Toyota? I buy a new Lexus every 1-2 years):
1. No more Lexus Link or built in cell phone - instead just an Onstar-like emergency sytem. That built-in cell phone saved me more than a few times when I left my regular cell phone at home. I'm told that there wasn't a deman for the Lexus Link service or the built-in phone. I'd certainly pay for it as an option.
2. Rear seat a/c-heater controls now only heated seat controls. Why?
The "REAR SEAT UPGRADE PACKAGE" is the one with the climate-comfort power rear seats with power adjustable butterfly headrests, memory and power lumbar massage for the outboard seats.
(these pics are from a 2010 LS600hL with Premium Package II (essentially the 460L's REAR SEAT UPGRADE PACKAGE w/RSES)
3. Rear seat memory positions gone as is the rear seat recline (yes I know you can order the 13k seating option with the coolbox and get this item - but I didn't need to to that for the 2008 model)
4. Ashtrays/lighters - understand that smoking in an 80k car may be obscence to some - but why not an option?
5. Not wild about the chrome volume control/tuning ***** -- they look cheap compared to the 2008 *****.
(2010 LS Sport)
It's the little things about Japanese engineering that have made be come back to Lexus time and again... I realize that this is just my opinion, but I'd be curious to hear what other 2010 owners think.
#20
Lexus Connoisseur
http://www.kodakgallery.com/gallery/...3%3A1745125083
Here are 2 photos that compare the 2 front center consoles of the 2008 and 2010 460L's. The 2008 console looks more elegant/sophisticated to me - notice that the inside temp LED is missing on the 2010 console.
Here are 2 photos that compare the 2 front center consoles of the 2008 and 2010 460L's. The 2008 console looks more elegant/sophisticated to me - notice that the inside temp LED is missing on the 2010 console.
(2010 LS)
(07-09 LS)
#21
Lexus Test Driver
Both cars 2007-2009 or 2010 model are great to own. Yes, some features changed and if a member doesnt like the changes we should respect it and thats that. I feel both opinions myself nd believe humbly beauty is truly in the eyes of the beholder. In my case give me either car. I'm sure the subtle differnces for me would eventually become an afterthought! Cars are always being tweeked as they make improvements based on request or lack of use.
The ashtray and lighter is a funny thing to me because that ption should never be removed! Why thats something people do that isn't in the car at all, I question tht one most of all. We all dont NEED a phone connected to the car because if we have cells we have phone use. I dont smoke myself so Im nt taken up for it based on biased feelings, I have astma and dont smoke.
I just think it is what it is and no car(Lexus,Benz,BMW,Audi) will ever be perfect. Just enjoy LIFE and the cars you have while your alive to do so. Some have no food and water. A LS 460 of any year is a blessing! L.G.N.M
The ashtray and lighter is a funny thing to me because that ption should never be removed! Why thats something people do that isn't in the car at all, I question tht one most of all. We all dont NEED a phone connected to the car because if we have cells we have phone use. I dont smoke myself so Im nt taken up for it based on biased feelings, I have astma and dont smoke.
I just think it is what it is and no car(Lexus,Benz,BMW,Audi) will ever be perfect. Just enjoy LIFE and the cars you have while your alive to do so. Some have no food and water. A LS 460 of any year is a blessing! L.G.N.M
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[QUOTE=KILLERGS4;5290133]
Again - my opinion. The 2008 console looks more elegant and attractive.
You also also ask what I liked in a subsequent post - Other than what I mentioned above, it's the same car -- slightly less horsepower. Only new feature that is nice is the XM radio weather forecasts.
I love the Lexus brand -- have been fiercely loyal as a customer - just not wild about the 2010 460L in comparison to my 2008 model.
1. No more Lexus Link or built in cell phone - instead just an Onstar-like emergency sytem. That built-in cell phone saved me more than a few times when I left my regular cell phone at home. I'm told that there wasn't a deman for the Lexus Link service or the built-in phone. I'd certainly pay for it as an option.
4. Ashtrays/lighters - understand that smoking in an 80k car may be obscence to some - but why not an option?
5. Not wild about the chrome volume control/tuning ***** -- they look cheap compared to the 2008 *****.
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1. Lexus Link, I don't even know why they even brought this back for the 2nd time, it did horrible the 1st time it was introduced to Lexus. Cost too much to operate. Not profitable.
Like I said - it saved me more than a few times when I forgot my cell phone. What can I say - the Enform platform offers less.
2. I dont think Lexus want drivers smoking, playing with Navi, making phone calls etc. while driving. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are other Lexus models that dont offer Ashtry/Lighter, right???
Probably -- just think it should be an option. Lexus shouldn't be deciding what the customer wants IMHO - should be the other way around.
3. Most people like chrome accents in the interior when done right, maybe the 2010 wasn't done right, I don't know.
4. Ashtrays/lighters - understand that smoking in an 80k car may be obscence to some - but why not an option?
5. Not wild about the chrome volume control/tuning ***** -- they look cheap compared to the 2008 *****.
QUOTE]
1. Lexus Link, I don't even know why they even brought this back for the 2nd time, it did horrible the 1st time it was introduced to Lexus. Cost too much to operate. Not profitable.
Like I said - it saved me more than a few times when I forgot my cell phone. What can I say - the Enform platform offers less.
2. I dont think Lexus want drivers smoking, playing with Navi, making phone calls etc. while driving. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are other Lexus models that dont offer Ashtry/Lighter, right???
Probably -- just think it should be an option. Lexus shouldn't be deciding what the customer wants IMHO - should be the other way around.
3. Most people like chrome accents in the interior when done right, maybe the 2010 wasn't done right, I don't know.
You also also ask what I liked in a subsequent post - Other than what I mentioned above, it's the same car -- slightly less horsepower. Only new feature that is nice is the XM radio weather forecasts.
I love the Lexus brand -- have been fiercely loyal as a customer - just not wild about the 2010 460L in comparison to my 2008 model.
#23
Racer
So let me get this straight, I understand the 2010-2012 introduced a mild face-lift, turn signals in the mirrors, upgraded Nav and native BT streaming, etc...but you can't get reclining seats separate from the chill box? Because of the new rear seat package, if you want reclining seats then you have to sacrifice trunk space too due to the rear AC and chill box? Talk about a step backwards.
I want a newer 4th Gen, but it seems the 07-09 are the only ones that will allow me to have reclining seats plus maximum trunk. (For what it's worth, I find the 07-09 front looks better than the smiling bumper of the 10-12 MY. The 10-12 have better rear lights though.)
EDIT: At least this explains why I have not come across a 2010+ with reclining seats.
I want a newer 4th Gen, but it seems the 07-09 are the only ones that will allow me to have reclining seats plus maximum trunk. (For what it's worth, I find the 07-09 front looks better than the smiling bumper of the 10-12 MY. The 10-12 have better rear lights though.)
EDIT: At least this explains why I have not come across a 2010+ with reclining seats.
Last edited by FatherTo1; 01-18-17 at 07:36 PM.
#24
Former Sponsor
ARLVACP - I have a 2010 460L. Mine has all the features that you say are not available in the 2010 model.
Mine has the built in controls, and Bluetooth connection to my cell phone, if that's what you mean.
Mine has rear seat cooling and heating.
Mine has rear seat recline & memory controls, on the door.
I'm not a smoker, and won't allow it in my car, so I could care less if this were an option or not.
My ***** seem heavy and substantial, so they work just fine for me.
No doubt that 2010 is vastly superior to any other year ... because that's what I have!
1. No more Lexus Link or built in cell phone - instead just an Onstar-like emergency sytem. That built-in cell phone saved me more than a few times when I left my regular cell phone at home. I'm told that there wasn't a deman for the Lexus Link service or the built-in phone. I'd certainly pay for it as an option.
Mine has rear seat cooling and heating.
No doubt that 2010 is vastly superior to any other year ... because that's what I have!
#25
Lexus Champion
So let me get this straight, I understand the 2010-2012 introduced a mild face-lift, turn signals in the mirrors, upgraded Nav and native BT streaming, etc...but you can't get reclining seats separate from the chill box? Because of the new rear seat package, if you want reclining seats then you have to sacrifice trunk space too due to the rear AC and chill box? Talk about a step backwards.
I want a newer 4th Gen, but it seems the 07-09 are the only ones that will allow me to have reclining seats plus maximum trunk. (For what it's worth, I find the 07-09 front looks better than the smiling bumper of the 10-12 MY. The 10-12 have better rear lights though.)
EDIT: At least this explains why I have not come across a 2010+ with reclining seats.
I want a newer 4th Gen, but it seems the 07-09 are the only ones that will allow me to have reclining seats plus maximum trunk. (For what it's worth, I find the 07-09 front looks better than the smiling bumper of the 10-12 MY. The 10-12 have better rear lights though.)
EDIT: At least this explains why I have not come across a 2010+ with reclining seats.
http://pressroom.lexus.com/article_d...rticle_id=2576
http://pressroom.lexus.com/article_d...rticle_id=2656
#26
Racer
Find an LS460L with the Luxury Package, and you'll get your rear power seats (which recline slightly) without the cool box. Herre are the 2009 and 2010 LS460 product information sheets:
http://pressroom.lexus.com/article_d...rticle_id=2576
http://pressroom.lexus.com/article_d...rticle_id=2656
http://pressroom.lexus.com/article_d...rticle_id=2576
http://pressroom.lexus.com/article_d...rticle_id=2656
Thank you for the links, Gbp. My previous post was based on seeing the 2010 brochure. Unless I am reading it incorrectly, it seems a 2010 cannot be configured the same way as 2007-2009. The Luxury Package differs on the 2010+ models and no longer includes the reclining seats with cooled seats. I agree with you that I should look for cars for sale with the Luxury Package, but looks like I will also have to limit my search to 2007-2009 MY.
#27
Lexus Champion
Thank you for the links, Gbp. My previous post was based on seeing the 2010 brochure. Unless I am reading it incorrectly, it seems a 2010 cannot be configured the same way as 2007-2009. The Luxury Package differs on the 2010+ models and no longer includes the reclining seats with cooled seats. I agree with you that I should look for cars for sale with the Luxury Package, but looks like I will also have to limit my search to 2007-2009 MY.
Regardless, best of luck with you search.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/new...eply&p=9743213
#28
Racer
Here's my copy of the 2010 LS460 brochure. It reads funny, but I don't see the configuration limitation you mention. I've heard that LS460's were, by default, equipped differently for specific areas. One obvious example would be AWD. I'm not sure about other options or packages.
Regardless, best of luck with you search.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/new...eply&p=9743213
Regardless, best of luck with you search.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/new...eply&p=9743213
The way I'm reading it (and what I'm seeing from cars available for sale), it seems 2010+ cars can only get the reclining seats and rear cooled seats in one of the more expensive rear seat upgrade packages, whereas the reclining seats and cooled seats were part of the Luxury Package before for 2007-2009 (without having to get the chill box and secondary AC unit). I honestly hope I am misinterpreting the brochures you linked to as I would prefer a newer MY with reclining/cooled seats but WITHOUT the chill box/AC unit that steals trunk space.
And now, 2010 changes:
#29
Lexus Champion
Here's the link I meant to post:
https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/Le...-lexus-ls-reno
Nonetheless, it looks like you are absolutely correct, FatherTo1; my apologies! Ironically, the 2010 SWB does have the Custom Plus Package, which gives you the rear power seats and semi-aniline leather, but no rear A/C and no rear cool box. Of course, it's not a LWB.
https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/Le...-lexus-ls-reno
Nonetheless, it looks like you are absolutely correct, FatherTo1; my apologies! Ironically, the 2010 SWB does have the Custom Plus Package, which gives you the rear power seats and semi-aniline leather, but no rear A/C and no rear cool box. Of course, it's not a LWB.
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