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Old Mar 3, 2023 | 03:18 PM
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Is it just me or nature of the beast. Now Ive had cars that had similar gear shift control for up and down manual shifting.
So heres my deal. 2011 LS460 RWD. When wide open the I will shift early and the trans will run out to max. it also does what it wants at different throttle positions. On other cars it will up shift when you make it.
So nothing I can do about it or is that just the way it is?

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Old Mar 3, 2023 | 03:40 PM
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What is the mileage and when did you change transmission fluid last time? Also, when did you clean the throttle body last time? Any error codes?
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Old Mar 3, 2023 | 03:45 PM
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No errors. Trans was flushed about 10000 miles back.
So is it supposed to up-shift when I make it?
And 108000 miles. Maps and TB cleaned by dealer same time trans flush.
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Old Mar 3, 2023 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Wlmitty
No errors. Trans was flushed about 10000 miles back.
So is it supposed to up-shift when I make it?
And 108000 miles. Maps and TB cleaned by dealer same time trans flush.
The sport mode where you choose the gear does not actually choose a gear, it chooses a maximum gear it will go into. So if you early shift to 5 from 4, it will keep it in 4 until it (and only it) decides it's time to go to 5. Do not question it. It knows best. It will decide.
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Old Mar 3, 2023 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Vtallysx4
The sport mode where you choose the gear does not actually choose a gear, it chooses a maximum gear it will go into. So if you early shift to 5 from 4, it will keep it in 4 until it (and only it) decides it's time to go to 5. Do not question it. It knows best. It will decide.
I recall having read this somewhere just a week ago.
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Old Mar 4, 2023 | 01:58 AM
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That's why the paddles mean diddley squat. I read a review on the ls500 that wondered why the paddles were even there. It's not a dual clutch tranny, but would be awesome if it had one!
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Old Mar 4, 2023 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Wlmitty
Is it just me or nature of the beast. Now Ive had cars that had similar gear shift control for up and down manual shifting.
So heres my deal. 2011 LS460 RWD. When wide open the I will shift early and the trans will run out to max. it also does what it wants at different throttle positions. On other cars it will up shift when you make it.
So nothing I can do about it or is that just the way it is?
The transmission isn't even close, to say, something like a Tiptronic, let alone a PDK/dual-clutch. Downshift and brake when going spirited into a corner, then when back on the throttle exiting the corner, move the shift lever back from 2nd (S mode) to D and let her do the work. For my best 0-60 and 1/4-mile runs, it was left in D, and I did not even consider using S mode.

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Old Mar 4, 2023 | 09:35 AM
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Thanks for all the input on this. Having a better understanding now so I can just live with it. I didn't know that the other models had the same issue.
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Old Mar 4, 2023 | 09:43 AM
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I agree with iwphatt66 about leaving in D for racing. I used to race a 79 Firebird and had the governor in the trans set to shift at 4600 RPM. So when I raced I would leave it in Drive and it would shift at that RPM every time on the spot. I have found that alot of Automatics will do this at the factory specified RPM so it makes sense.
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Originally Posted by napamikey
That's why the paddles mean diddley squat. I read a review on the ls500 that wondered why the paddles were even there.
My wife's Hyundai Ioniq (hybrid) has paddles........... They're about as useful as they are on the LS!
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Old Mar 5, 2023 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by sktn77a
My wife's Hyundai Ioniq (hybrid) has paddles........... They're about as useful as they are on the LS!
My Hyundai Kona does too... they let me pick how much regenerative braking I want the car to do for me. When on the third setting it feels like engine braking on a manual transmission in a lower gear. With the instant torque and regenerative braking at the highest setting it's fun to whip the thing around, like a manual in just the right gear all the time.
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Old Mar 8, 2023 | 11:06 AM
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I manually shift mine up and down (sometimes), just to exaggerate the exhaust sound so it sounds real nice. It shifts when I want it to. But neither is at full throttle. If I blip the throttle just right, at just the right timing, the downshifts are as smooth as buttuh. I don't always get it right, it's not always smooth, but better than shifting down and doing nothing with the throttle.
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Old Mar 9, 2023 | 07:29 PM
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I know what you mean about throttling just before a downshift. I have done that in other cars Ive had. No exhaust sound for me. Still all factory quiet. I do like the sound of the intake air coming in at wide open. Kinda reminds me of the old 4 barrel carb days hearing that sound. I have noticed too that when I go to S mode while driving, it always go to 5th gear at maybe 40 mph or so. I try to have some fun with it but its not really possible. Too bad there isn't a tune for the transmission to get a little harder shifts and more on demand shifts.
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