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Old 09-17-18, 10:01 PM
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After changed out the tie-rod ends with Moog Problem Solvers and the lower ball joints with Beck Arnley's, I now notice a metallic scraping sound when going around corners. I jacked the vehicle up but it's hard to see what's interfering. I thought it was the brake shield and bent it back, but it's still doing it.

Anyone else use these parts and had the same issues? It seemed like the Moog tie-rod ends are bigger than stock and it looks like a pretty tight fit. I suspect it's somehow interfering.
Have to have a closer look I suppose.
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If the tie rod is rubbing on the wheel it should leave an evident mark. If that's the cause you can lightly grind the outside of the tie rod to increase the clearance with no adverse effects. Are you sure you got the correct ball joints? The '01-'03 cars use different parts than the '04-'06 models.
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Originally Posted by 911LE
If the tie rod is rubbing on the wheel it should leave an evident mark. If that's the cause you can lightly grind the outside of the tie rod to increase the clearance with no adverse effects. Are you sure you got the correct ball joints? The '01-'03 cars use different parts than the '04-'06 models.
I’ll try and have another look this weekend. I got the Moog tie-rod ends off Rock auto and it says that it’s the same part number (ES800445 for right and ES800446 for left) for both 2003 and 2004 models. Rock also says the OEM part is the same for both model years. Did Rock screw up?
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Originally Posted by 911LE
If the tie rod is rubbing on the wheel it should leave an evident mark. If that's the cause you can lightly grind the outside of the tie rod to increase the clearance with no adverse effects. Are you sure you got the correct ball joints? The '01-'03 cars use different parts than the '04-'06 models.
Oops just realized you said ball joints. I’ll check on that.
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Oops just realized you said ball joints. I’ll check on that.
I checked and installed Beck Arnley 1017676 and 1017677 ball joints. According to Rock Auto these are the correct ball joints for my model year (2003). And yes 2001-2003 are different than 2004-2006.

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Most likely it's the tie rods then. An easy way to check is to jack up the front end from the center of the crossmember and put a jack stand under each control arm as far out as possible. Lower the jack so the weight is on the stands. This will lift the car but load the suspension to ride height. Spin each wheel by hand and have someone steer the car slowly lock to lock. You will be able to see where it is rubbing. Grind a small amount off of the ball joint making sure no shavings get into the joint area. You shouldn't need to remove much material for clearance and make sure you only grind on the housing itself and not the ball stud or joint. I'm guessing the housing is slightly larger than stock with a bigger ball stud making it a "problem solver" product for Moog. It kinda caused a problem in this case but it's a minor fix.
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Originally Posted by 911LE
Most likely it's the tie rods then. An easy way to check is to jack up the front end from the center of the crossmember and put a jack stand under each control arm as far out as possible. Lower the jack so the weight is on the stands. This will lift the car but load the suspension to ride height. Spin each wheel by hand and have someone steer the car slowly lock to lock. You will be able to see where it is rubbing. Grind a small amount off of the ball joint making sure no shavings get into the joint area. You shouldn't need to remove much material for clearance and make sure you only grind on the housing itself and not the ball stud or joint. I'm guessing the housing is slightly larger than stock with a bigger ball stud making it a "problem solver" product for Moog. It kinda caused a problem in this case but it's a minor fix.
I’ll close this thread out - I finally found the issue. It was not the Moog outer tie rod ends or Beck Arnley ball joints. It was in fact a small spot on the front passenger’s side brake shield contacting the rotor. The location was near the 4 o’clock position when facing the rotor. I could see rubbing marks where it was contacting. I beat it back with a screwdriver and hammer and now there is no more noise.
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