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Old 05-19-17, 02:56 PM
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Default Low idle 99 LS, but no CEL

I have a 99 LS400, with 140k on the clock, lately it has been having a low idle and then back to normal idle. Engine runs fine, when low idle engine does not shake, very smooth, no CEL or anything. Only noticeable when in drive and at a stop. Throttle body has been cleaned and made no difference. All maintenance is up to date. I checked my ECU last year with everyone’s post about the caps going bad and mine looked fine. Does anyone know Whats wrong?
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I have a 99 LS400, with 140k on the clock, lately it has been having a low idle and then back to normal idle. Engine runs fine, when low idle engine does not shake, very smooth, no CEL or anything. Only noticeable when in drive and at a stop. Throttle body has been cleaned and made no difference. All maintenance is up to date. I checked my ECU last year with everyone’s post about the caps going bad and mine looked fine. Does anyone know Whats wrong?

Anybody got ideas?
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Originally Posted by lexus_ls
Anybody got ideas?
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Originally Posted by lexus_ls
Anybody got ideas?
IF you have a low idle during first start/warm-up, you will want to look at the water temperature switch as noted by YODAONE.

The operating idle speed is maintained by a stepper motor in the ISC valve. It needs to be clean and not stuck.

The operating idle speed can be messed up by some intermittent problems in other actors, like the EGR valve, and, if you have an intermittent fast idle at operating temp, the power steering idle up valve. The air-conditioner circuit also kicks up the idle. Does your engine speed up when you engage the compressor?
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I had low idle, to almost stalling at times and it turned out to be my AFM. It would only occur when the car had warmed up tho.
Does this model have a power steering idle valve?

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Originally Posted by Moarpower
I had low idle, to almost stalling at times and it turned out to be my AFM. It would only occur when the car had warmed up tho.
Does this model have a power steering idle valve?
Well, I am an idiot re: anything newer than 1994, so . . .
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Originally Posted by Moarpower
I had low idle, to almost stalling at times and it turned out to be my AFM. It would only occur when the car had warmed up tho.
Does this model have a power steering idle valve?
CRC offers Mass Airflow Sensor Cleaner.

Cannot use on 1990-1994 LS400's MAF sensor you will destroy a $900 part...

Not sure about 1995-1997 LS400's, but you can definitely use to clean 1998-2000 LS400 MAF sensors.

It make a slight difference.in idle quality...especially if you use K & N reusable oil.impregnated air filters....sometimes excess filter oil collects on MAF sensors.
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Originally Posted by Amskeptic
IF you have a low idle during first start/warm-up, you will want to look at the water temperature switch as noted by YODAONE.

The operating idle speed is maintained by a stepper motor in the ISC valve. It needs to be clean and not stuck.

The operating idle speed can be messed up by some intermittent problems in other actors, like the EGR valve, and, if you have an intermittent fast idle at operating temp, the power steering idle up valve. The air-conditioner circuit also kicks up the idle. Does your engine speed up when you engage the compressor?
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It only does it if I have been driving in stop and go traffic or at stop light. I replaced the idle air control motor and about to replace the throttle position sensor. Not sure what else I need to replace. Car has 144k miles all tuned up, new sparks, temp sensor and coolant temp, new power steering pump with that idle up valve. I cleaned the throttle body completly as well. When I have the A/c on it jumps very slightly back to normal.
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Originally Posted by Moarpower
I had low idle, to almost stalling at times and it turned out to be my AFM. It would only occur when the car had warmed up tho.
Does this model have a power steering idle valve?
Yes, it does and I replaced mine and with new hoses. Still did not do anything for the low idle.
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Had the same problem as yours and solved it by cleaning he throttle body as I see you've already done. Then I'm out of ideas.
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Originally Posted by lexus_ls
Yes, it does and I replaced mine and with new hoses. Still did not do anything for the low idle.
Have someone with a professional scan tool.assess readings.

Meanwhile, inspect and test all grounds, battery terminals, battery cables, Alternator and battery.

Check out forum postings on those topics.
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What gear is the car in when you took the picture?

The factory idle specs are for a car at operating temperature, AC off, in Park or Neutral. There is NO SPEC for idle with the car in-gear.
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Originally Posted by PureDrifter
What gear is the car in when you took the picture?

The factory idle specs are for a car at operating temperature, AC off, in Park or Neutral. There is NO SPEC for idle with the car in-gear.
It was in drive.

Thanks.
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clean air-mix path
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Most likely the TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) is going out or being set to low. If you have a scanner then take a look at the TPS parameter. At idle, in park & AC off, it s/b set around 12.5% & the RPM s/b at around 650. You can play w/ the TPS by losing up the 2 screws then slightly turn it left or right. If yours is running fine & doesn't bog down when it's sitting at 400 RPM, I wouldn't mess w/ it unless you know what you're doing.


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