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1998 LS400 Highway MPG: 75mph vs 65mph

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Old 03-09-13, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sam12345
You are ignoring wind resistance. My guess the optimum is 60mph
LOL. Read the post #4. Some people tend to just react and notice what happens next.

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You are ignoring wind resistance. My guess the optimum is 60mph
I don't have exact figures, but I did an informal test at 40 mph on a long level road that went on with no stops for about 30 miles and calculated that my mpg was well above 30, never gotten anything like that at 60 mph

the best fuel efficiency rpm is closer to 75mph
I understand what you mean, that the engine is operating at it's most efficient rpm as far as fuel burned per unit of power, and that this would be best fuel efficiency on a dynamometer, but even though the LS400's coefficient of drag is a respectable 0.29, because the velocity is squared, it still seems that best mileage is going to be near 40 mph


The minimum wage set by the law here is about 9 Dollars/H and the time you have saved is almost the same as the minimum wage rate in Japan. Due to my engineering skill I get some more money than this, but I prefer to run not fast for the less stress and the safety reasons.
this assumes you are doing nothing but driving, when I am driving, I am talking on the telephone doing business or listening to an informative and hilarious radio show called Car Talk - so no time is being wasted!

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Old 03-09-13, 10:59 AM
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who wants to throw down on putting a ls400 in a wind tunnel.
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Originally Posted by LScowboyLS
I don't have exact figures, but I did an informal test at 40 mph on a long level road that went on with no stops for about 30 miles and calculated that my mpg was well above 30, never gotten anything like that at 60 mph
yeah but in the real world there are hills and with a 5 speed it will shift down every time you go over an over pass ect... At 55 to 60 it will not. But maybe 50 but no less.
Old 03-10-13, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by YoshiMan
I did a 70 mile short trip recently, filed it up before and after, and actually got 30 to the gallon out of it. I am taking her to California next week, and will see what she pulls on the road and in the Colorado Mountains.....
My computer said I was getting 30.0 mpg on the way down, but after actually measuring it at the pump it came to 27.25mpg. It seems like the computer always reports better gas mileage than the car gets. Question: is the Japanese "gallon" the same as the American "gallon". I am guessing you actually sell gas there by the liter?
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make sure you use the "tank" mpg, not the current or "other" one, which is user resettable.

even then the tank mpg is only really accurate when you start from a fully filled car.
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Originally Posted by Yamae
The performance curves attached may help you to understand why.
75mph is about 121km/H and this is closer to the best fuel efficiency rpm=2400rpm.

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Old 03-19-13, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PureDrifter
make sure you use the "tank" mpg, not the current or "other" one, which is user resettable.

even then the tank mpg is only really accurate when you start from a fully filled car.
Yeah I used the tank one only, from a full tank, and it always reports better MPG than it really gets by 1 1/2 to 3 mpg.
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Originally Posted by ls400geek
Question: is the Japanese "gallon" the same as the American "gallon". I am guessing you actually sell gas there by the liter?
We don't use "Gallon" at all. It is against the regulation to use it here. "Gallon" is now only used in US. UK "Gallon" which differs 20%+ is not officially used in UK any more.

My kids were so used to those good old American standards that they were having a hard time after coming back to Japan to get used to the "Metric". I feel sorry that many people in US still need to use those non world standards.
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I just bought my first Lexus and wondered about optimal speed for maximum gas mileage. According to estimates at http://www.automobile-catalog.com/ec...us_ls_400.html, "Estimated mileage (fuel economy) by constant speeds on top gear [5th], steady ride without acceleration or braking, flat concrete or tarmac surface, no wind..." are:

• 28.1 mpg @ 44 mph (70 km/h)
• 27.8 mpg @ 50 mph (80 km/h)
• 27.4 mpg @ 56 mph (90 km/h)
• 26.6 mpg @ 62 mph (100 km/h)
• 24.5 mpg @ 75 mph (120 km/h)

This information indicates that the optimum speed for maximum fuel economy might be around 45 mph. In any case, 65 mph on the freeway should (in theory) produce better gas mileage than 75 mph (which would only save the driver about six minutes over 50 miles and 12 minutes over 100 miles). However, driving 75 mph instead of 65 mph over 500 miles would save the driver about an hour. While I certainly enjoy driving fast, speeding likely decreases fuel economy while increasing risks of accidents and tickets. I wonder if the time saved over shorter distances is worth the potential costs.
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Originally Posted by islagiatt
I just bought my first Lexus and wondered about optimal speed for maximum gas mileage. According to estimates at http://www.automobile-catalog.com/ec...us_ls_400.html, "Estimated mileage (fuel economy) by constant speeds on top gear [5th], steady ride without acceleration or braking, flat concrete or tarmac surface, no wind..." are:

• 28.1 mpg @ 44 mph (70 km/h)
• 27.8 mpg @ 50 mph (80 km/h)
• 27.4 mpg @ 56 mph (90 km/h)
• 26.6 mpg @ 62 mph (100 km/h)
• 24.5 mpg @ 75 mph (120 km/h)

This information indicates that the optimum speed for maximum fuel economy might be around 45 mph. In any case, 65 mph on the freeway should (in theory) produce better gas mileage than 75 mph (which would only save the driver about six minutes over 50 miles and 12 minutes over 100 miles). However, driving 75 mph instead of 65 mph over 500 miles would save the driver about an hour. While I certainly enjoy driving fast, speeding likely decreases fuel economy while increasing risks of accidents and tickets. I wonder if the time saved over shorter distances is worth the potential costs.
I can confirm getting nice MPGs in the low 40s. I generally use that speed around town roads, and then get up to 60 on main roads. I'm kind of curious if lowering provides any significant gas mileage increase.
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Originally Posted by Sc0pe
I can confirm getting nice MPGs in the low 40s. I generally use that speed around town roads, and then get up to 60 on main roads. I'm kind of curious if lowering provides any significant gas mileage increase.
The car still has the same frontal area and what more-less flows under will not be significant in real world. A wind tunnel might show some differences.
Old 07-10-14, 02:49 PM
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The mileage variation between LS's I have been monitoring for about ten years between 3 different LS models. My old 98LS had the best at 29.8 on the highway with a/c running and WOT from time to time when passing. My 99 is second best at 26.5 but with 20 inch wheels I get as low as 24ish. My 02 LS430 worst at 23.8. All cars have K&N drop in filters(the air box hack on my 99 only) and synthetic oil in all. I just can't figure out why the 98 has always been the best of the bunch when it comes to MPG.
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